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Old 05-13-2011, 01:29 PM
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Anybody know what happened to shulman's UL at the Nall , lockout ?

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Old 05-13-2011, 01:54 PM
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Yep...lock out.
Old 05-13-2011, 02:05 PM
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What was he using? Any picture?
Old 05-13-2011, 02:06 PM
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Futaba.
Old 05-13-2011, 02:37 PM
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Friggin great! Just received my Ripmax module to convert my 10X to the Futaba Fasst while getting rid of the Spektrum conversion. I swear, I believe this is the reason why Maj. Woody jumped ship. I believe he decided the risk was just not worth it after having several back to back crashes due to radio failure. I still feel the Fasst is the better option though.
Old 05-13-2011, 02:40 PM
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We fly our airplanes on a rather tenuous, low-powered link as it is.. 750 milli-watt just isn't much, and it's bound to happen now and again regardless of what equipment people are using. Sucks for David though.. that's 2 big crashes for him at Joe Nall now. Clearly with as many pilots as Joe Nall has registered, it would have to be just about the single worst Rf environment I can think of...

I find it really strange that some people have this mentality that since moving to 2.4GHz that radio problems should NEVER happen. Did people think the same when R/C shifted from 27MHz to 72MHz?
Old 05-13-2011, 02:46 PM
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Dom was flying Fasst when he had the string of crashes...correct?

I think both Specktrum and Fasst are good systems, but but people still have issues with both. Why? Who knows...

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Yep...exactly.

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We fly our airplanes on a rather tenuous, low-powered link as it is.. 750 milli-watt just isn't much, and it's bound to happen now and again regardless of what equipment people are using. Sucks for David though.. that's 2 big crashes for him at Joe Nall now. Clearly with as many pilots as Joe Nall has registered, it would have to be just about the single worst Rf environment I can think of...

I find it really strange that some people have this mentality that since moving to 2.4GHz that radio problems should NEVER happen. Did people think the same when R/C shifted from 27MHz to 72MHz?
Old 05-13-2011, 02:53 PM
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Well I'm very sorry to hear that this occurred. I had a lock out on my UB using JR and then I switched to Futaba and lost my Euro. Now I switched back to JR and am using Weatronics 2.4 and no problems. Gerhard has helped out very much and never had a problem. No matter how many people are flying it is a rock sold system. Shui should no he had to use Weatronics at The world jet masters one year for this same problem
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ORIGINAL: bevar

Dom was flying Fasst when he had the string of crashes...correct?
I think both Specktrum and Fasst are good systems, but but people still have issues with both. Why? Who knows...

Beave
Pretty sure that is correct.
Old 05-13-2011, 03:15 PM
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How do you know it wasn't a failure with the powersystem, batteries, ect. It was a brand new plane that was first flown last weekend.
Old 05-13-2011, 03:18 PM
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So many people have problems with whatever they use, the guys that had problems on 35mghz on our site are the same guys that now have problems with 2.4ghz seems mighty strange?????

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Old 05-13-2011, 03:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: quist

How do you know it wasn't a failure with the powersystem, batteries, ect. It was a brand new plane that was first flown last weekend.
That's just it... I don't! I will stick with my decision of switching to Fasst and hope for the best.
Old 05-13-2011, 03:33 PM
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Hey guys,

Yep, #2 now for me at the Nall. Here is what happened, I installed a new custom mirrored cockpit (receivers & powerbox royal underneath in stock location). I did range checks and flew with no issues. I flew late Wednesday and did a long slow roll, finished the roll and pulled up but the last input received was my aileron to stop the roll. It luckily went into an opening and scattered into the woods, no fire, unfortunately a total loss. Basically I was 2000' away (guess) looking up the tailpipe, through the motor, full fuel tanks and to top it off the mirror plexiglass cockpit floor over the RX's. I checked one of my 4,000mah lipo's that was still together and it read 8.05v under a load so battery wasn't an issue.

I saw one Spektrum lightning (classic) lockout and go in Thursday and this morning a Skymaster T-45/Hawk go into the woods and fireball (assuming it was DSMX cause of the pilot/owner but not sure).

There were many more lockouts and losses with prop planes that were quite scary.

My Tuono, Turbinator & Ultra Flash flew awesome and I didn't let my crash spoil my trip.
Old 05-13-2011, 03:38 PM
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did it go into a failsafe and engine shut down? Do you have any pics of the install just for grins.

Sorry to hear about that.
Old 05-13-2011, 03:56 PM
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Damn Dave...that sucks. Sorry that it banged in so hard...but glad no one got hurt and that it did not fireball.

Beave

Old 05-13-2011, 04:03 PM
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Hey Dale, I only have pics of the plane at the field and of the cockpit, but I'm not able to post now since I'm riding home from the event.

Beave, thanks, my heart was in my throat until I reached the site where it hit and saw no one was near when it went in. I think I'll fly prop planes or venture to the edf stuff for my next Nall experience lol.

Yea it failsafed and turbine was at idle for 2 sec (guessing cause I couldn't quite hear or see it).
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I lost 4 jet with Futaba before I found that the transmitter would turn itself off at variou times.
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Default RE: Jet crash at the Nall ?

ORIGINAL: Countryboy


ORIGINAL: bevar

Dom was flying Fasst when he had the string of crashes...correct?
I think both Specktrum and Fasst are good systems, but but people still have issues with both. Why? Who knows...

Beave
Pretty sure that is correct.
Yes, Futaba 12FG...just like what I use (after switching from a x9303) [X(]
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ORIGINAL: Shui


I saw one Spektrum lightning (classic) lockout and go in Thursday and this morning a Skymaster T-45/Hawk go into the woods and fireball (assuming it was DSMX cause of the pilot/owner but not sure).

There were many more lockouts and losses with prop planes that were quite scary.

My Tuono, Turbinator & Ultra Flash flew awesome and I didn't let my crash spoil my trip.

all these lockouts at the same event and on 2.4 ??? that's odd [] .. is there anything in the area that could be causing noise on 2.4 ??


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Old 05-13-2011, 04:24 PM
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Dave,

I hear ya. I remember after Wednesday last year I only flew during the noontime demo time or stuck to my Park Zone micros and Eflite foamies...LOL

I don't care what you are flying (unless control like of course!) that what you have over 100 transmitters on at a time...the frequencies are going to get so compressed that no matter what you are using...it ain't gonna work.

Beave


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Hey Dale, I only have pics of the plane at the field and of the cockpit, but I'm not able to post now since I'm riding home from the event.

Beave, thanks, my heart was in my throat until I reached the site where it hit and saw no one was near when it went in. I think I'll fly prop planes or venture to the edf stuff for my next Nall experience lol.

Yea it failsafed and turbine was at idle for 2 sec (guessing cause I couldn't quite hear or see it).
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Default RE: Jet crash at the Nall ?

Went to SEFF this year and they where making people get transmitter flags even when just using them in the pits because of lockouts with all the systems not just JR or FU. That event is close to 500 pilots. Nall is even bigger I cant imagine how bad it is their. The 2.4 band is only so big.
Old 05-13-2011, 05:37 PM
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Dave, sorry to see that happen. No feeling more helpless that that.
DAMMMM-agreeing with Beave again .Even with the systems today when you have godknowshowmany transmitters on at the same time you ARE going to have lockouts. Dont care if its frequency hopping, bumping, humping or what the very small spectrum that we are on is going to get swampped. Scotty
Old 05-13-2011, 05:43 PM
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I think it might be time to start Transmitter Impound again.... At these Mega-Events there is just too much. Impound and only let 50 or whatever number that works go out and that might do away with this problem.... 50 or 100 out is a hell of alot more than the 6 or 10 we used to let out before..... Oh well, just a thought..

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Default RE: Jet crash at the Nall ?

interesting......im still old school using nicads( i Know)......but I do not use power boxes, regulators and such extras( i have a yellow twin, classic flash , kingcat, firebird,electra and kangaroo.....all without fancy extras)

Could power boxes and such be causing issues?

I fly jr dsm2
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