Red arrow crashes at air display
08-20-2011, 06:54 AM
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Red arrow crashes at air display
Just heard that one of the Red Arrows has crashed at an air display at Bournmouth. Hope the pilot is ok.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-RSS&ATTR=News
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-RSS&ATTR=News
08-20-2011, 07:33 AM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
bcovish - I think you are mixing up crashes with the one from last year. Saw some video footage - they are doing their display break (I believe in the States its called a pitch) to land and one jet flies into the ground - not enough resolution on the video to see if the pilot ejected or not. I'm keeping my fingers crossed - I have several good mates in the team.
08-20-2011, 09:14 AM
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One report said the pilot ejected moments before the crash and suffered no serious injuries. Cuts to head and right arm. The planes were doing a crossover manuever when they touched. The other plane landed safe.
One report said the pilot ejected moments before the crash and suffered no serious injuries. Cuts to head and right arm. The planes were doing a crossover manuever when they touched. The other plane landed safe.
As yet no report on condition of the pilot, as its been nearly six hours does not look good, don't know where you got your info from but they were on a run in and break to land, certainally were not doing the cross over.
08-20-2011, 09:27 AM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
Just saw this on the news,pilot and ejection seat with paracute were seen on the ground,pilot looked ok but they do get it all wrong from time to time,i think there budget must be very tight as they did a display a few days ago with a black Hawk up front!!with no smoke
Very sorry my info was very wrong,a very sad day,the reds are having a tuff time,thoughts are with you all at this very sad time.
Very sorry my info was very wrong,a very sad day,the reds are having a tuff time,thoughts are with you all at this very sad time.
08-20-2011, 10:47 AM
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Sad day . We often see the Red Arrows here in Cyprus. We have a flying site at Lady's mile salt lake, which is next to Akrotiri air base, where they do their winter training.
08-20-2011, 10:53 AM
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sad news this time
what hapent to Krete in Greece last time:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_96...tm.htm#9605507
08-20-2011, 11:44 AM
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Pilot was Jon Egging, unfortunately the news has been released that he died in the accident.
I'm sure we all offer our thoughts to his family and friends-the JMA in the UK have friends in the Reds and we use their superb airfield for some of our jet meetings.
Some news agencies say he may have stayed with the aeroplane to ensure it crashed away from housing. Until the official report is released, this is just one thought.
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I'm sure we all offer our thoughts to his family and friends-the JMA in the UK have friends in the Reds and we use their superb airfield for some of our jet meetings.
Some news agencies say he may have stayed with the aeroplane to ensure it crashed away from housing. Until the official report is released, this is just one thought.
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08-20-2011, 01:25 PM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
A very sad day..... Everyone down here has felt it hard as I'm certain the rest of the country has. All feel a bit numb.
Thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends.
The Reds are an awesome and inspirational team.
Thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends.
The Reds are an awesome and inspirational team.
08-20-2011, 07:56 PM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
Any early speculation on what happened to Mr. Jensen.
The video makes it look like the plane was under power and it just kept spinning.
Wonder if it was medical or ?
Either way may God be with both mens families.
The video makes it look like the plane was under power and it just kept spinning.
Wonder if it was medical or ?
Either way may God be with both mens families.
08-20-2011, 09:13 PM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
Can I ask….do the Reds wear G-suits? - I wonder if we have another Blue Angel 6 scenario… just looking at the way the Ac tracked down.
Anyway, thoughts are with the family at this time…such a bloody waste.
Anyway, thoughts are with the family at this time…such a bloody waste.
08-20-2011, 09:30 PM
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Yes, they wear them.
Gravity is measured in terms of the amount of acceleration that the force gives to an object on the earth. The Red Arrows’ main section uses up to 5 times the force of gravity (5’g’) in their manoeuvres but up to 7’g’ in the Vixen Break. The Synchro Pair use 7g quite frequently and can go up to 8’g’, the aircraft limit, if needed. At 8’g’ everything weighs 8 times its normal weight, arms, legs, bags under the eyes, and so on. Cameramen have to remember that the weight of their equipment increases with increasing ‘g’ and it can be difficult to keep the camera up to eye level. The heart sinks and blood tends to pool towards the legs and away from the brain. If insufficient blood reaches the eyes then the pilots gradually lose vision and this is known as 'blacking out'.
The anti-‘g’ suit is an elasticised garment which fits tightly over the lower abdomen and legs and fastens with laces and zips. Attached to the suit is a hose-pipe which feeds pressurised air into a large number of tubes within the suit. When an aircraft pulls 'g', the pilot's blood is forced downwards away from the heart and towards the feet so starving the brain. All pilots learn how to control this by tensing the stomach muscles but it is a physically tiring procedure. If the pilot relaxed his stomach muscles under high ‘g’ conditions, all his blood would rapidly rush away from his brain and he would black-out. When the pilot is wearing an anti-g suit, pressurised air proportional to the g force rushes into the tubes and compresses the pilot’s abdomen and legs, thus saving the pilot considerable physical effort. Without the help of an anti-‘g’ suit the pilots would rapidly get tired and might even black out.
Gravity is measured in terms of the amount of acceleration that the force gives to an object on the earth. The Red Arrows’ main section uses up to 5 times the force of gravity (5’g’) in their manoeuvres but up to 7’g’ in the Vixen Break. The Synchro Pair use 7g quite frequently and can go up to 8’g’, the aircraft limit, if needed. At 8’g’ everything weighs 8 times its normal weight, arms, legs, bags under the eyes, and so on. Cameramen have to remember that the weight of their equipment increases with increasing ‘g’ and it can be difficult to keep the camera up to eye level. The heart sinks and blood tends to pool towards the legs and away from the brain. If insufficient blood reaches the eyes then the pilots gradually lose vision and this is known as 'blacking out'.
The anti-‘g’ suit is an elasticised garment which fits tightly over the lower abdomen and legs and fastens with laces and zips. Attached to the suit is a hose-pipe which feeds pressurised air into a large number of tubes within the suit. When an aircraft pulls 'g', the pilot's blood is forced downwards away from the heart and towards the feet so starving the brain. All pilots learn how to control this by tensing the stomach muscles but it is a physically tiring procedure. If the pilot relaxed his stomach muscles under high ‘g’ conditions, all his blood would rapidly rush away from his brain and he would black-out. When the pilot is wearing an anti-g suit, pressurised air proportional to the g force rushes into the tubes and compresses the pilot’s abdomen and legs, thus saving the pilot considerable physical effort. Without the help of an anti-‘g’ suit the pilots would rapidly get tired and might even black out.
08-21-2011, 04:15 AM
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RE: Red arrow crashes at air display
There are a lot of reports now saying that he stayed with the aircraft to guide it away from populated areas.
Here is one example:
Wayne Kent, 30, the assistant manager at the nearby Broadway Pub, said some of his customers had seen the incident, and that the pilot guided the plane away from houses in the village and from people walking near the riverbank.
The fleet has now been grounded by the MOD until the cause can be established. They are also looking into whether the ejector seat was activated or not, and if so why it did not function. Possibly just too late.
Very sad day indeed.
Here is one example:
Wayne Kent, 30, the assistant manager at the nearby Broadway Pub, said some of his customers had seen the incident, and that the pilot guided the plane away from houses in the village and from people walking near the riverbank.
The fleet has now been grounded by the MOD until the cause can be established. They are also looking into whether the ejector seat was activated or not, and if so why it did not function. Possibly just too late.
Very sad day indeed.
08-21-2011, 11:26 AM
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John/Dave, pure conjecture on my part but I can see two interesting clues, in the rather poor vid it can cleary be seen that Red 4 did not switch off smoke, as far as we know did not Mayday to R/Leader or eject.
I don't think he was actually flying the plane.
Very fit people have been known to pass out for a myriad of reasons. Either way a great shame and loss,
Gary.
I don't think he was actually flying the plane.
Very fit people have been known to pass out for a myriad of reasons. Either way a great shame and loss,
Gary.
08-21-2011, 11:49 AM
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John/Dave, pure conjecture on my part but I can see two interesting clues, in the rather poor vid it can cleary be seen that Red 4 did not switch off smoke, as far as we know did not Mayday to R/Leader or eject.
I don't think he was actually flying the plane.
Very fit people have been known to pass out for a myriad of reasons. Either way a great shame and loss,
Gary.
John/Dave, pure conjecture on my part but I can see two interesting clues, in the rather poor vid it can cleary be seen that Red 4 did not switch off smoke, as far as we know did not Mayday to R/Leader or eject.
I don't think he was actually flying the plane.
Very fit people have been known to pass out for a myriad of reasons. Either way a great shame and loss,
Gary.