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Old 11-10-2011, 05:48 PM
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Default Need Some Help On a Bandit.

I am hoping someone can advise me on a little hang up I cam across, I PM'd Harley Condra but hes offline , and I am a little impatient..

I am in the middle of mounting the wings on my Bandit MKll and I am having a little issue with the forward pin. In the manual the forward pin has a rounded base and it goes on the LE root of the wing. The only pins I could find in my kit have a square base and are no way fitting there. In the manual they want you to cut out for it, but theres not enough material.

The notes say this is required on any 19lbs + turbine you put in there. As I want to put a P100 in, I dont want to overlook this step. Anyone come across this?? I have attached some pics...
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:53 PM
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Default RE: Need Some Help On a Bandit.

Having not assembled a Bandit ARF myself, my suggestion would be to file a notch for the pin, sand the plate to fit into the leading edge with the pin sitting in the notch, and aeropoxy the hell out of it, which is pretty much what it looks like the picture is telling you to do.

You might also consider making a new plate for the pin that will allow you to run the front end of it all the way to the leading edge to tie it all together.

Best suggestion however would be to wait until you hear back from Harley. He'll have the best info short of a call to BV himself tomorrow.
Old 11-10-2011, 06:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite

Having not assembled a Bandit ARF myself, my suggestion would be to file a notch for the pin, sand the plate to fit into the leading edge with the pin sitting in the notch, and aeropoxy the hell out of it, which is pretty much what it looks like the picture is telling you to do.

You might also consider making a new plate for the pin that will allow you to run the front end of it all the way to the leading edge to tie it all together.

Best suggestion however would be to wait until you hear back from Harley. He'll have the best info short of a call to BV himself tomorrow.

Thanks Doug..I like your first idea, my brain was in one way mode from working on this jet too long..done for the night, but I think thats the only way its gonna work. But I will take your advice and wait to hear back from Harley or call BVM. The wing in the manual looks like it has more material to notch out. There is another picture in the manual that shows the pin all the way in there..I will have to see what Harley says...
Old 11-10-2011, 06:38 PM
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Erik,
I wrote you a detailed explanation a few minutes ago. Doug is correct.
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:42 PM
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Thanks Harley
Old 11-10-2011, 06:59 PM
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Default RE: Need Some Help On a Bandit.

KFX, would you mind posting some pics of the build? I've looked everywhere and don't see any.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 11-10-2011, 07:10 PM
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KFX, would you mind posting some pics of the build? I've looked everywhere and don't see any.

Thanks in advance!

Kenric

Not a problem at all..I will post them here. Might be a couple days before I can as work has me straight out. But I will also post what I have done to this point, and going forward..
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Thanks KF I really appreciate it,
Old 11-11-2011, 02:40 AM
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Hope this may help:-

Alistair.

http://www.bvmjets.com/JetKits/Bandi...ndum102009.pdf
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Thanks JP...Well I sanded down the pin, and used a 90 degree dremel tool to get the glue out..everything worked well. Both pins are about 1/2 inch form the LE. Tacked them in then aeropoxied. Thanks guys..And thanks Harley..Anything I run into Harley has always got right back to me..Thanks again...
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:12 AM
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Can only get 2 at a time
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:14 AM
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Kenrico,

Here are some pics as to what I have done so far..Wings, stab, and fin are done. The 3 coats of wax help a ton with the fingerprints. Still have to clean them up though. Im really liking that the gear doors bolt on. Dont have to deal with flimsy hinges..
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couple more
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:18 AM
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some pics of the fuse, which I hope to start tonight..
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Old 11-11-2011, 01:07 PM
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Default RE: Need Some Help On a Bandit.

I run 34# plus in all my bandits and have never done that front pin.

If I was building one new now, I might, but they don't NEED them.

I love Bandits.

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I'm jealous I only have one.....but that's good to know. Thanks ravil...
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Hey Eric, my mk1 bandit had the wing attach formers glued in place from the factory. Does the mk2 now come with them needing installation as I see yours need to be? Maybe Harley will chime in and let us know.

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Hey Mike. They do. Both formers for the aluminum and carbon spar need to be glued in.
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Some more pics..Formers is and wings set..
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Inlets in also. Everything lines up flawlessly..This is real fun to put together..The inlet extension gave me a little trouble but i got it together..
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Erik,
It is a good idea to use the inlet extension as a tool to align the inlets and hold them together when installing the inlet ducts. I think that is what you might be doing in your photos.
The inlet extension is supposed to be glued to the front end of the bypass tube, not to the inlet ducts. Please see page 63 of the manual, under the heading "BYPASS".

The inlet extension is to be used full length (3") for the small engines (P-60, Rabbit, etc.) and cut to 2" if you are using a large case engine such as the P-80 or P-120.

The new instruction sheet is in work at BVM for installation of the P-100 engine, (included with the P-100 bypass tube system) and should be available in the next few days.
I am sure that the P-100 will be a popular Mk II installation.

Mike,
The Mk II wing mount frames installation is a simple assembly operation, and is now accomplished by the builder.
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I see the pics from your MkII and I drool. I may just have to ding my MkI pretty bad so I can get a replacement.

Anyone cares to challenge me to an inverted low pass?

KFX450, just FYI, the P100 seems like a great choice, but the venerable P-80SE is also a great match. The airframe can take the size and will allow for 8+ minute flights, plus you'll keep a couple hundred in your pocket, which you can use for stocking up on flexplates. You probably can't go wrong with either one though.

Good luck! Beautiful bird.

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So will it be a brand new design of bypass for the P100?
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ORIGINAL: Harley Condra

Erik,
It is a good idea to use the inlet extension as a tool to align the inlets and hold them together when installing the inlet ducts. I think that is what you might be doing in your photos.
The inlet extension is supposed to be glued to the front end of the bypass tube, not to the inlet ducts. Please see page 63 of the manual, under the heading ''BYPASS''.

The inlet extension is to be used full length (3'') for the small engines (P-60, Rabbit, etc.) and cut to 2'' if you are using a large case engine such as the P-80 or P-120.

The new instruction sheet is in work at BVM for installation of the P-100 engine, (included with the P-100 bypass tube system) and should be available in the next few days.
I am sure that the P-100 will be a popular Mk II installation.

Mike,
The Mk II wing mount frames installation is a simple assembly operation, and is now accomplished by the builder.

Hey Harley,

That is what I did. I just have the extension resting on the inlet while I let the center dry. I am looking forward to that addendum and some of the video's I have been hearing about..

Thanks Dave, it goes together nice and its very enjoyable to get a couple hours in on her after work. It's actually unwinding and not aggravating which is a huge plus in my book. I have been thinking a lot about turbine choice, and a lot of people have been recommending the p-80se. My only draw back is, Dom, in my club is running a p-70 and we fly with someone else who is running a p-80se on their bandits. The feedback I have been getting from them is the p-70 is running it better because it is not taking up too much room in the bypass as the p-80, maybe Harley can chime in to see if there is some truth to this matter. But as it stands I have been oogling over that p-100...
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Bypass and tailpipe size would affect it greatly. I have a P-120 size bypass/TP, so no matter the engine size I will have lot's of cool air flow. I could see a potential performance loss if a P-70/RAM500 size bypass was used, as a P-80 would block 90% of the bypass air. You'd probably cook your tailpipe eventually too.

I flew my BARF on a P-70 a couple of times and didn't really like it. Not much mojo.

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