National 747 crash
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National 747 crash
This is a very rare opportuity to see a crash upclose like this. This happened just yesterday. It is said that the cargo pallets shifted AFT, creating a tail heavy condition. The crew did not survive.
This is not RC related, but WE ARE an aviation community. Perhaps this can help ground some of the situations we are discussing on this forum.
Very sad for the lives lost.
David
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This is not RC related, but WE ARE an aviation community. Perhaps this can help ground some of the situations we are discussing on this forum.
Very sad for the lives lost.
David
[link]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518[/link]
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It is said that the cargo pallets shifted AFT, creating a tail heavy condition.
Very sad.
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There is no way at this stage that anyone can say or even speculate that "x, y, or z" caused this accident.
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- Yes, cargo shift has caused similar accidents
- improper elevator trim has caused similar accidents
- improper weight and balance has caused similar accidents
- on smaller airplanes control locks in place have caused similar accidents
Tactical departure? Doubt that......have you ever flown or ridden through a standard noise abatement mandated departure from the Orange County Airport in SoCal? 737 guys do those every day..
That video just makes my butt bite chunks out of my chair cushion........condolences to the family.
-Mike
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Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
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Siclick, civi crews (at least as of my last time into there) do not fly tactical arrivals or departures......
The load shift (if it happened) could have been a cause or result of the problem. Maybe there was a problem with the aircraft, maybe there was a problem with the load distribution right from the start. I'm sure the investigators will work this out fairly quickly.
Discowings,
Have you ever flown a horrendously tail heavy model? Almost (if not actually) impossible.
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I thought about trimming, but I think in B744's, once the %CG trim is calculated by the FMC, it will let you know during takeoff if it isn't properly set...then again, if the data fed into the FMC was not accurate I could see it being set incorrectly. Loadmasters are a pilot's best friend on cargo flights.
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So sad to watch. If it was a "load shift" how often is cargo not attached properly? I would hate to be the person responsible for loading the plane.
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I have been doing preflight (before taxi walk arounds and have found cargo incorrectly locked in and many times loadmasters have been Q-3'd (taken out of flying for it until further training is completed on their behalf). I dont think there are many NTSB investigators on these forums, so nobody really knows what happened. One thing is for sure though- Loadmasters can be the pilot's best friend or worst enemy if they are inexperienced and unsafe. I think most civil cargo carriers do not fly with their loads, instead they have them "stationed" at enroute locations, at least that is how it used to be.........Prayers to the families......
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ORIGINAL: DiscoWings
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
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You sure aren't shy about showing us how you haven't the most basic clue about aviation or any sense of shame, are you.
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Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
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My God, the ignorance and insensitivity of some on this forum is astounding to me.
God bless the Crew and Loadmasters who lost their lives in this horrible accident.
Joe Grice
God bless the Crew and Loadmasters who lost their lives in this horrible accident.
Joe Grice
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ORIGINAL: DiscoWings
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!
Would like to see more video, why was the jet pointing striaght up, was the pilot knocked out? What was he trying to do? Hover the jet?
Sad but seriously PILOT Error!