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The Making of Xtreme ARF F100 D Super Sabre

Old 07-20-2015, 11:56 PM
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You guys have to consider also the exhaust diameter if you have 90mm exhaust for a engine of 250N the exhaust should be at least 110mm ID, Xtreme aARF plane comes already with 110mm to 115mm ID, so please take a look on yours before you change engine.
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Has become to our attention an issue on the F100 elevator authority, for jets that is flying heavy (more than 52 Lb in weight), the nose is very slow to recover from a hard maneuver, we are working on this issue and have a solution already we are going to increase 1/2" on the elevator mechanism arm, this will transfer big momentum to the elevator correcting the known issue. So for the pilots that are flying less than 52 Lb there is no problem at all, for those that are on the heavy side we recommend do not fly with all armament and do not make any hard maneuver, the jet will fly good without any problem.
Lewis already made an adaptation on his F100 as shown in the picture below and he report great improvement.
We will send to our customer soon we have received the new elevator mechanism, but please be patient, this takes a while, we depend the 3rd part to CNC new mechanism and we have to follow their production schedule

Obs. The new orders will be update before goes to the customers


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Old 07-21-2015, 01:29 AM
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Forgot to say, for whom that wants to make the adaptation like the photo, Lewis used Hangar 9 part HAN9151.
Old 07-21-2015, 11:48 AM
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I was wondering after looking at these pics, what kind of material are the bulkheads made off? It doesnt look like ply laminated with carbon it looks like some other material, some type honeycomb core material laminated in carbon. I know there are a some cool materials out there, then again it kinda looks just like a solid piece of carbon fiber.
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Originally Posted by FenderBean
I was wondering after looking at these pics, what kind of material are the bulkheads made off? It doesnt look like ply laminated with carbon it looks like some other material, some type honeycomb core material laminated in carbon. I know there are a some cool materials out there, then again it kinda looks just like a solid piece of carbon fiber.


Wagner will probably chime in on this, but it's very strong and capable of bearing any loads imposed on it.

Lewis
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Originally Posted by FenderBean
I was wondering after looking at these pics, what kind of material are the bulkheads made off? It doesnt look like ply laminated with carbon it looks like some other material, some type honeycomb core material laminated in carbon. I know there are a some cool materials out there, then again it kinda looks just like a solid piece of carbon fiber.
Glad you mention that, please take a look at this thread on posts # 156, 157 and # 210, to see what the comments are about this material also check in our website at http://xtremearf.com/index.php/support/carbon-fiber

Tie material was researched and tested before use on XARF planes, and this material is used in commercial aviation as well.

Xtreme ARF will attend Jet Power this year, and we will have some samples of this material to show.
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To better illustrate, here is the picture of the material that has been used on the F100 as a hatch reinforcement, this is 12 mm thick.


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Old 07-21-2015, 05:25 PM
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Here is my updated control arm...
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i like it thanks for the info
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Did you make that up yourself

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Well looking at that picture the stabs can indeed be 'connected' together to create a dual servo driven system.

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Sure thing Damo...had some spare control horns so I cut & drilled them to fit the Hun.

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will kingtech 210 power this baby?
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I just received an email from a renowned pilot point me some of his concerns in cutting the former and supposed reduce its strength so bellow is my email answer to him:

"Thank you for the warning I really appreciate, there will be no problem to cut that material as it was done by Lewis, this material is stiff like steel, it is made with 9 layers of carbon fiber with two different types of carbon fiber with different orientation on the lay up give them an incredible strength plus 2 layers of structural core material, actually on the lab tests, forces were applied on the material at 90 degrees and it had a rupture in 1320 Kgf (it is about 3000 Lbf).
Regarding the servo boxes nothing was compromised once that part was untouched by Lewis and the servo box is glued in 4 of its 6 surfaces, you can not see but there is another former holding the servo box behind it.

Now my concern is from the people that has Feibao F100 and are doing the modification because FB material are different they use ply with 2 layers of carbon, this can be a problem and pilots are doing the modification without Feibao authorization, I believe that is my duty to inform this people, for the safe side, not to do anything before FB communication and actually this modifications is required for planes over 50 Lbs and they are flying bellow this weight."

So please consult the factory or dealers before do any modification in your jets, you maybe compromise the safety of your airplane.
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Originally Posted by binsonc
will kingtech 210 power this baby?
I can answer you like this:

Depend on the final weight of your plane, if your plane weight like PREACHAMES one it will fly 1:1
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Sweet I might do the same thanks

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Originally Posted by PREACHHAMES
Sure thing Damo...had some spare control horns so I cut & drilled them to fit the Hun.

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Don't forget to install the two locking bolts in the lower part of the JR arm. Failure to do so could cause the arm to spring apart.

QUOTE=rchobbymodels;12073104]Has become to our attention an issue on the F100 elevator authority, for jets that is flying heavy (more than 52 Lb in weight), the nose is very slow to recover from a hard maneuver, we are working on this issue and have a solution already we are going to increase 1/2" on the elevator mechanism arm, this will transfer big momentum to the elevator correcting the known issue. So for the pilots that are flying less than 52 Lb there is no problem at all, for those that are on the heavy side we recommend do not fly with all armament and do not make any hard maneuver, the jet will fly good without any problem.
Lewis already made an adaptation on his F100 as shown in the picture below and he report great improvement.
We will send to our customer soon we have received the new elevator mechanism, but please be patient, this takes a while, we depend the 3rd part to CNC new mechanism and we have to follow their production schedule

Obs. The new orders will be update before goes to the customers


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Hello all, I'm curious to know what length of arm is on the servo? This seems like a poor solution to gain mechanical advantage. Would a 1/2" servo arm not suffice? The stabilator horn looks to be at least an inch tall from CL to rod end attachment. That would yield a 2:1 advantage, doubling torque from the servo.
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By going longer on the control arm and shorter on the servo arm you get a better feel on the stick when flying. You can set the fuller range of control on servo and have more resolution. You also get as mentioned better torque at servo
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An inch tall CL arm just won't cut it. I could stall a 580 ounce servo with very little effort. Mine is now 1 1/2 inch tall, and the improvement is amazing! Going flying Thursday.

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Hello all, I'm curious to know what length of arm is on the servo? This seems like a poor solution to gain mechanical advantage. Would a 1/2" servo arm not suffice? The stabilator horn looks to be at least an inch tall from CL to rod end attachment. That would yield a 2:1 advantage, doubling torque from the servo.
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man I wish I lived a little closer I would come up and fly with you guys, going nuts not being able to fly except at events
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Lewis shoot us some video! Love seeing that Hun.
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Yeah Lewis, you are 100% correct!

I could stall the 500+ oz. torque servo on the stabilator with my pinky finger on the trailing edge outer tip.

Soon as my longer control arms come in, mine will be complete.

See you in Georgia? Hope so...

Greg
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We have one F100 D overstock left and we want to move on, so we decided to give free shipping to anywhere in the word, for this particular plane any interested please PM
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Flew the F-100 again today. Shifted some more weight (battery) forward, and it's now dialed in. What a joy to fly! Gradually getting into my routine with it. Buck (Islander 208) shot some video today; maybe he will post soon.

Found out today that there is a set screw behind the top scissor link on the main gear. You will have to remove the pin to see it. This will lock the wheels and scissor link in place. There is also another near the top of the strut; with both locked down, the wheels will remain locked in place. Going to have some fun with Billy D next week at Jets Over The Valley!

Lewis

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