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Old 09-21-2014, 12:55 AM
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Default Carf 800S turbine powered glider

Nice package. Any pricing details or flying videos from Jetpower?

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Old 09-22-2014, 06:53 AM
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O.K.

Found it on facebook...

3K euro
Compares about the same as other gliders of that size and if CARF has a hand in it, then it should be a good flyer.
Now the question...when will it be available?

Any reps out there care to enlighten us? :^)

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Old 09-22-2014, 07:11 AM
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Dean,

http://www.carf-models.com/public_ca...e=DG-800S%206m

Christian Schauberger's DG800 strength has been legendary and it was proven at JetPower! Usually, you'd use a lot of the glider momentum with bursts of power. Andreas demo'd the strength of the airframe by making it look like a large scale 'turbine opus' !!

I'll be getting one to play with I think.

Rgds,
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Old 09-22-2014, 10:23 AM
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Well Mark if you like it, then I am in....!!!!!!!!

Thanks
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:15 PM
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I've got CS's DG800, though it's unpowered (at the moment!) and I can't get enough of it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxVATBNZDPc Close to a 20 mintue flight and I came down to fly my warbird not because I ran out of air!

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Anybody has assembled one of this with a turbine yet ?
Old 02-08-2015, 07:13 PM
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not available yet.,,,
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Originally Posted by Helijet View Post
not available yet.,,,
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That's strange..... my local dealer is bringing one for stock right now and that's why I was asking if somebody had experience with it. Seen one or two videos of it in Youtube so is obviously available at least in some places.
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The 800S was scheduled to be shipped to customers the middle to end of this month. The kits may be on the way but no one has started construction yet. I have been told that there is also a very limited supply and the wait list is several months right now. Some dealers may have ordered stock. I ordered mine the day it was announced at JetPower- gave my deposit and I am number 2 for an all wait version for North America.

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The first lot must almost be at their destination, the second batch is due to dispatch very soon, but it has proved very popular and the huge amount of carbon used take a long cure time, so production takes a little longer than other models.
Shipping time is the biggest killer...the boats seem to be getting slower ;-)
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Are you going to do one Dave?

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I'd love to, but business does not justify it at this time.

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Anyone received one yet ? Mine is the magenta and silver... It is still at the dealer, i ve seen pictures og the fuselage.
The fuselage It is all white and the marks are vinil adhesives.... Cant tell about if the wing is painted or just a set of vinil adhesives
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Any one building one of the Dg800 at the moment or have completed one allready, can you share pictures of your set up? also all the 10 servos need to be JR8711 like?
Thxs
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Hi Guys
Recieved my DG a few months ago and am very impressed with her on aerotow only problem is I have now fitted a 10kg Kingtech and am having serious issues with the C of G if I use the tank that came in the turbine mount kit .
There are only 2 of us in South Africa that have got these beasts so any help would be greatly appreciated ,bit stunned at the moment and the Schubler 94Hst is just not the same as Kerosene
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I am curious - what is 10Kg Kingtech - it was designed around a 100N size engine ( KT 100, P100 )?. I just picked up my kit last month but have not started it yet. The tank appears to be located right on the CG location. How did you balance it? You said you got the turbine install kit right?
There was a small AD that was required on the bottom of the horizontal stab - did you grind away some of the material as noted.

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10kg/100N /100KT ,we work in kilos here in South Africa hence the reference .
The tank is molded with a flat surface to clear the wing joiner but then it goes a good couple of inches past the C of G and a lot of the Kero lands up in the bulbous part of the tank and stays there and this is where the problem comes in .
Even with the tank fitted as far forward as it can go you still land up with s 1/3rd if the fuel past at the trailing edge of the wing .
When we fueled her up and kept her on a CG stand there was a dramatic shift between wet and dry Stab was chamfered and this is purely to get her flying faster by changing the incidence .
Changeg the CG as reccomended in the manual .
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I am finishing mine I will let you know how it goes.
Have not installed the turbine yet, but with the change in the angle of attack of the stab as recommended in the manual, they say move CG back 10-15mm also.
Cannot comment yet on the CG fuel dry /wet effect but will soon find out I guess

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10kg/100N /100KT ,we work in kilos here in South Africa hence the reference .
The tank is molded with a flat surface to clear the wing joiner but then it goes a good couple of inches past the C of G and a lot of the Kero lands up in the bulbous part of the tank and stays there and this is where the problem comes in .
Even with the tank fitted as far forward as it can go you still land up with s 1/3rd if the fuel past at the trailing edge of the wing .
When we fueled her up and kept her on a CG stand there was a dramatic shift between wet and dry Stab was chamfered and this is purely to get her flying faster by changing the incidence .
Changeg the CG as reccomended in the manual .
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Peter or anyone,
Any results yet with the turbine install? The flat-bottom tank looks a lot like the one used in the CARF Flash. That one has a baffle in it which is suppose to slow the fuel movement fore and aft. In the flash, it was not unusual to land with an inch or more of fuel in the tank which is a lot when you consider the length of the flat bottom tank. Many complained of flame-outs with extended high AOAs on landing so most added a sump tank. The fuel in the UAT was not sufficient. I see where a sump tank is included in the DG800 turbine install kit. Probably for the same reason.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the engine mount? I am told that it will only take a P100 turbine. CARF told me a P120 will not work even though there is only .04" difference in the diameter. The case size on the P120 is too large. Unlike an internal install with mounting rails, not too many options appear possible.

How is the retract? There is no suspension in it as with most of the Paritech models. How is the reinforcement around the installation?

Appreciate any and all observations. There are very few turbine gliders in the US and none of the DG800 with turbine install. It is kind of hard to make a decision when you can't see and touch one at the field. Thanks to all.
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I have not installed my turbine yet since the turbine has not arrived, I am all done just waiting to install the turbine.
I am using the B100F and NO you should not put a P120 it is too big and heavy and uses a lot of fuel.
No worries about the tank, it is fine as is and it is not the same as the Flash and it is in fact smaller than the Flash tank.
No issues with main wheel, it is perfect and the rubber has a certain softness to it which will work well.
I will take some pictures as I proceed with Turbine install.
The only issue is that there is no documentation and you have to go by experience to install the tank (nothing provided to mount tank) you have to make a bracket.
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This may be a double post. I started one and it disappeared???

Thanks Peter,
I really appreciate your response and especially the pic. You are right, the manual is a "little" lacking. I know the issues you mentioned with respect to the P120. But since I had one, I was willing to consider its weakness against the $$$ to get yet another turbine...ouch! I am not familiar with the B100F. I presume that is a Biotech. Do you have the stats, particularly the can's width? Maybe a link?

Did you use the the sump tank? Where did you put it? Any pics? What size is the main tank? I would really like to see any other pics of your install of equipment if you would share them. Sorry to bug you with so many questions. There just isn't much info out there about the ship. Thanks, George
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I do not use the small tank they send with these tanks, I use an Air Trap
Have not installed it yet but it will go in front of the main wheel assembly.
I did not take many pics, since I was not planning to do a build thread but have a few and also took some video. Video only shows the mixing.I will figure a way t upload the clips
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here is a short clip of the setup/mixing.

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I assembled the Turbine mount this evening.
It was not as bad as I thought.
Drill the pilot holes all the way through, enlarge the bottom side to allow for the screw and washer to go through.
Enlarge the holes to 4.75mm ( screws are 4mm)
I used Super glue to hold the washers to the screws to make it easy to insert them upside down.
I also ground a flat area so the washers fit flat against the base since there is not enough clearance for he washer to sit flat.
Don't forget to trim the side to allow for the canopy release cable to come through the bottom.
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Pic of my DG with the Edf mounted.
Shuebler 94HST 128mm on 14s
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