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Old 01-22-2020, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RCISFUN
I would if I had the correct drawing/ dimensions
I actually started to create a Jet Central template for the Hornet and the Kingtech K45G2 based on a drawing I found...

Does this suffice?

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Originally Posted by smcharg
Does this suffice?
What is the recommended pipe distance from the tail cone?
What is the Pipe I.D. that you are using?
For the Grumania pipe, the recommended distance is based on the the distance from the leading edge of the bell mouth to the end of the Turbine tail cone, in the case the one shown is 30 mm.
The disk diameter I made is 2.12" 53.8 mm to fit that pipe.
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Originally Posted by RCISFUN
What is the recommended pipe distance from the tail cone?
What is the Pipe I.D. that you are using?
For the Grumania pipe, the recommended distance is based on the the distance from the leading edge of the bell mouth to the end of the Turbine tail cone, in the case the one shown is 30 mm.
The disk diameter I made is 2.12" 53.8 mm to fit that pipe.
Rich,
I'm getting my new pipe from Peter Liu at Bajahobby. Since the K45G3 is the same size as the K30 now, the original pipe Peter sent was too short. I've had him add an extra 1.75" to properly mount the turbine. That pipe will be here Friday. I'll email Peter and see if he can give me the ID of the pipe that he's sending me. If not, I'll measure it the second I get home on Friday and post here for you. The distance that the tail of the turbine needs to be away from the beginning of the pipe (not the bellmouth) is 1". Dirk from Pacific RC Jets said "use that measurement Scott...period". I said yes sir.

Thank you for helping me out. I was actually concerned how to figure out the proper distance. This is magic and I really appreciate this. I do have a laser cutter at work so, if you're doing this in Solid Works, I could just use the file.
Old 01-22-2020, 08:27 AM
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No problem Scott, I can send you a DXF file from AutoCAD...
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Outstanding work. I have a laser also and THAT is a perfect method for centering. awesome work
Old 01-22-2020, 06:25 PM
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Here you go Scott
Created the Outline drawing and the Pipe Fixture Drawing,
Also it is interesting that the Gruminia recommendation of 30 mm from the leading edge of the Bell mouth to the end of the tail cone workes out to be 25.4 mm (1") from the end of the tail cone to the entrance of the pipe.
Lastly I thought it would interesting to have a direct outline comparison.

K45G3M Outline

Kingtech K45 Pipe Fixture (DRAFT)

I thought this would be interesting

Xicoy K45 Gruminia Pipe Layout
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:31 PM
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I am not a fan of external flap linkages as you can lose the mechanical advantage that is needed during flap deployment under air loads, so I will employ hidden internal flap linkages.





Flap Horns, Turbine mounts & Wing Connector Mounting
Old 01-22-2020, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kohersh
Outstanding work. I have a laser also and THAT is a perfect method for centering. awesome work
I really like playing with the laser
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When it comes time to balance I like to use fixtures to hang the model from, these will be inserted between the fuselage and the wing.





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I created a guides for checking the control surface movements.as per the manual published specifications.


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For the wing connections I used a 12 pin in-line connectors.



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Old 01-23-2020, 05:17 AM
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Rich,

First off, thank you! I was curious about this distance as well for your engine vs. mine and was going to ask. I guess it's safer for the engine manufacturer to state this distance from the pipe vs. the edge of the bellmouth as the bellmouth could potentially be deeper or more shallow I guess. I'm going to laser cut that part out. This hobby is that much better because of folks like you sharing ideas and helping a brother out. Much appreciated!

Scott

PS - I haven't heard back from Peter yet on the ID of the pipe but I can take what you've given me and adjust the OD of the laser cut part once I find out.
Old 01-23-2020, 05:51 AM
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Scott I'm using an ID of 50 mm for my X45.
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RCISFUN
Been working on my Avanti build.

I ordered the new Grumania Jet’s pipe specifically designed the mini Avanti and the Xicoy X-45 from Germany, order placed Jan 2nd, pipe delivered Jan 16th.

It was very well packed and the pipe looks like a work of art!

The new design has a bell mouth that fits within the Avanti formers with no modifications.
I wish I had received the new bell mouth with my pipe. I am still trying to figure out how to install the pipe inside the fuselage without messing up things..... I wonder if bell mouth is available separately at Grumania!!

Old 01-24-2020, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by extra 300
I wish I had received the new bell mouth with my pipe. I am still trying to figure out how to install the pipe inside the fuselage without messing up things..... I wonder if bell mouth is available separately at Grumania!!
I would write Ilja Grum [email protected] and ask...
It looks like the new pipe was added to their web site after September 2019
Old 01-25-2020, 03:32 PM
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I think I saw this somewhere in this thread. Are we using something like the wire loom from BVM to protect servo wires from the heat of the pipe or is the fiberglass tube sufficient if I'm running a dual-wall pipe? If we are, is this the correct product?
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:55 PM
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Its not necessary with a dual pipe.
Just thread the servo wires through the fibreglass tube.
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Old 01-27-2020, 05:48 PM
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Been making some progress on my build.
Came up with a 1 Liter fuel tank that fits perfect, it is from a body wash product sold at Sam's club in the US.
I also made a wing connector wire strain relief.


Tank donor from Body wash bottle

Clunk and vent tube prep.

Decided to make a wire strain relief for the wing plug connector.

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Old 01-27-2020, 05:51 PM
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I attached full scale drawings that can be used for guides when setting up the surface movements.
When printing the PDF you have to make sure that the printer is set for 100% scale



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File Type: pdf
Avanti Flap.pdf (17.7 KB, 28 views)
File Type: pdf
Avanti Surface Movements.pdf (28.0 KB, 30 views)

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Old 01-27-2020, 07:58 PM
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Rich the throws in the manual are excessive except for flaps and rudder!
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Originally Posted by Bob_B
Rich the throws in the manual are excessive except for flaps and rudder!
Thanks Bob, I figured that, I just wanted to make sure I could get the max set then dial down from there.
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I always go as far in on the servo arm and minimize turning down the end points in the radio. Keeps the resolution an power up!
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why did you choose to use the snap and break type ball link connector on the flap servo and not a solid ball link connector.. i only use the snap and break ones on a heli to save the gear train in a crash.. just my opinion..
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Originally Posted by horsefeetky
why did you choose to use the snap and break type ball link connector on the flap servo and not a solid ball link connector.. i only use the snap and break ones on a heli to save the gear train in a crash.. just my opinion..
That is what came with the kit, I plan on going back and place a washer to prevent the link from separating, I was trying to get the geometry set first, good point though!
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Well I had some more laser fun!
Drew up a UAT holder and a receiver holder for my Jeti R7 REX.




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