New Mini Xcalibur
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The nose cone is like the Plus, a sheath and single screw in from the nose.
I should be able to post more pictures later this week, Colin Straus has flown it a couple of times and it's coming to me for further tweaking and grass field proving. Colin was very happy with the handling.
Dave
I should be able to post more pictures later this week, Colin Straus has flown it a couple of times and it's coming to me for further tweaking and grass field proving. Colin was very happy with the handling.
Dave
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Here is my opinion on price. Given that the normal xcalibur is about £500 - £545 without retracts and given that a set of electric retracts with wire legs for this size of model is about £35. I would hope the price should be on the order of:
Model etc £300.00
Retracts 35.00
So to get them selling It would need to be around about £350 in my opinion. Much more and for me they would be priced too high. Lets hope so hey
Model etc £300.00
Retracts 35.00
So to get them selling It would need to be around about £350 in my opinion. Much more and for me they would be priced too high. Lets hope so hey
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Mmmm I could bite quite badly, but let's just say there is more to developing a product like this latest Xcalibur and unless you have been through that, talk is just cheap. When Ripmax have all the coatings a price will be released. It's such a balance between releasing info and keeping it all secret until everything is known...maybe next time the secret will be kept longer then we won't get too many questions!
Since this is an exact replica of the std Xaclibur in materials, and the material is the cheapest commodity, time to assemble the kit to an airframe pretty much the same, numbers sold less than the middle-most popular size-I'd say it should be ( in a business world ) only a bit cheaper!
the P-20 many will chose it's more than a P-100, so...
Anyway it will be what it is, I have several people who still want one and understand the costs.
Retracts...Eflite Habu 32 sets are £74.99, so Hobbykillers pricing does not fit this theme.
its a great little airframe and I'm looking forward to more testing soon.
When I have unpacked from the weekend, I'll post a full report on what I found flying it and post some more pictures.
Since this is an exact replica of the std Xaclibur in materials, and the material is the cheapest commodity, time to assemble the kit to an airframe pretty much the same, numbers sold less than the middle-most popular size-I'd say it should be ( in a business world ) only a bit cheaper!
the P-20 many will chose it's more than a P-100, so...
Anyway it will be what it is, I have several people who still want one and understand the costs.
Retracts...Eflite Habu 32 sets are £74.99, so Hobbykillers pricing does not fit this theme.
its a great little airframe and I'm looking forward to more testing soon.
When I have unpacked from the weekend, I'll post a full report on what I found flying it and post some more pictures.
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Mmmm I could bite quite badly, but let's just say there is more to developing a product like this latest Xcalibur and unless you have been through that, talk is just cheap. When Ripmax have all the coatings a price will be released. It's such a balance between releasing info and keeping it all secret until everything is known...maybe next time the secret will be kept longer then we won't get too many questions!
Since this is an exact replica of the std Xaclibur in materials, and the material is the cheapest commodity, time to assemble the kit to an airframe pretty much the same, numbers sold less than the middle-most popular size-I'd say it should be ( in a business world ) only a bit cheaper!
the P-20 many will chose it's more than a P-100, so...
Anyway it will be what it is, I have several people who still want one and understand the costs.
Retracts...Eflite Habu 32 sets are £74.99, so Hobbykillers pricing does not fit this theme.
its a great little airframe and I'm looking forward to more testing soon.
When I have unpacked from the weekend, I'll post a full report on what I found flying it and post some more pictures.
Since this is an exact replica of the std Xaclibur in materials, and the material is the cheapest commodity, time to assemble the kit to an airframe pretty much the same, numbers sold less than the middle-most popular size-I'd say it should be ( in a business world ) only a bit cheaper!
the P-20 many will chose it's more than a P-100, so...
Anyway it will be what it is, I have several people who still want one and understand the costs.
Retracts...Eflite Habu 32 sets are £74.99, so Hobbykillers pricing does not fit this theme.
its a great little airframe and I'm looking forward to more testing soon.
When I have unpacked from the weekend, I'll post a full report on what I found flying it and post some more pictures.
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I think its important suppliers sell a product and make money, so they can invest this in new products...!?
You can't just decide what a thing costs to develop, manufacture and ship. I know there a huge number of people in this "hobby" business, who run their businesses as a 'hobby' You can see who they are as they are disappearing. Anyway away from what ifs. The model...
You can't just decide what a thing costs to develop, manufacture and ship. I know there a huge number of people in this "hobby" business, who run their businesses as a 'hobby' You can see who they are as they are disappearing. Anyway away from what ifs. The model...
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So I flew the Mini Xcalibur at the weekend, Colin Straus has a couple flights last weekend and was very positive about its qualities, but had not set up the flap system properly.
First flight allowed me to decide on movements to suit general flying and found that the CROW Colin had also set was excessive with a massive lift reduction!
This was reduced to 4mm and other movements refined, expo increased on the ailerons (they are sharper around the center than the larger two Xcalibur's
There is still more tweaking to be done, but handling is great, stall benign, you can stab at the elevator and it just pitches and settles-nothing nasty at all. It feels light in the air and handles like a larger airframe.
Power from the JW Sprite turbine allows unlimited vertical climbs! most flying around was done at half throttle. We will try and get some video with this set up and then I intend to swap the turbine to a P-20 so we can see the lower end of the power too.
First flight allowed me to decide on movements to suit general flying and found that the CROW Colin had also set was excessive with a massive lift reduction!
This was reduced to 4mm and other movements refined, expo increased on the ailerons (they are sharper around the center than the larger two Xcalibur's
There is still more tweaking to be done, but handling is great, stall benign, you can stab at the elevator and it just pitches and settles-nothing nasty at all. It feels light in the air and handles like a larger airframe.
Power from the JW Sprite turbine allows unlimited vertical climbs! most flying around was done at half throttle. We will try and get some video with this set up and then I intend to swap the turbine to a P-20 so we can see the lower end of the power too.
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I think its important suppliers sell a product and make money, so they can invest this in new products...!?
You can't just decide what a thing costs to develop, manufacture and ship. I know there a huge number of people in this "hobby" business, who run their businesses as a 'hobby' You can see who they are as they are disappearing. Anyway away from what ifs. The model...
You can't just decide what a thing costs to develop, manufacture and ship. I know there a huge number of people in this "hobby" business, who run their businesses as a 'hobby' You can see who they are as they are disappearing. Anyway away from what ifs. The model...
Now the Sebart Mini- Avanti is a similar sized aircraft, similar build and flying qualities, from a manufacturer with a good reputation and arguably better looking. Like the mini-X it is a scaled down version of an established aircraft with an excellent reputation. It is currently on offer for £399 so I think you will need to price the Mini-X a bit lower than that - otherwise you may not sell enough to cover the fixed costs.
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True - you need to cover your costs and make a surplus - however you also need to compete with other suppliers out there. It worries me that you aren't able to estimate the costings at this stage - because you really should have done that before you even started - otherwise you risk having a product that you can't sell at a profit.
Now the Sebart Mini- Avanti is a similar sized aircraft, similar build and flying qualities, from a manufacturer with a good reputation and arguably better looking. Like the mini-X it is a scaled down version of an established aircraft with an excellent reputation. It is currently on offer for £399 so I think you will need to price the Mini-X a bit lower than that - otherwise you may not sell enough to cover the fixed costs.
Now the Sebart Mini- Avanti is a similar sized aircraft, similar build and flying qualities, from a manufacturer with a good reputation and arguably better looking. Like the mini-X it is a scaled down version of an established aircraft with an excellent reputation. It is currently on offer for £399 so I think you will need to price the Mini-X a bit lower than that - otherwise you may not sell enough to cover the fixed costs.
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Or more to the point, many will already have a set of Eflite retracts doing nothing (I have two). Similarly with fuel tanks - why bundle a custom tank in this size model - just size it so a standard Dubro 32 will fit. Many customers will have one lying around.
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You can order it from here http://www.probuild-uk.co.uk/sebart-...381761312.html
but it is still pre-order at present.
but it is still pre-order at present.
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You can order it from here http://www.probuild-uk.co.uk/sebart-...381761312.html
but it is still pre-order at present.
but it is still pre-order at present.
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I think the custom tank is ok because the Dubro 32 is a bit long
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But if you had designed it around the tank it wouldn't be a problem to make it fit - it's less than 8".
Even if you chose to supply the tank it would still have been cheaper.
Even if you chose to supply the tank it would still have been cheaper.
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You seem to be able to order it direct from Italy - if you go on the Sebart shop site then the options become clearer.
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You get retracts - but not the edf set up (the version with fan etc is £700). The turbine install kit is £59 (includes a very nice pipe, tank and some bit of ply that fit it all together).
You seem to be able to order it direct from Italy - if you go on the Sebart shop site then the options become clearer.
You seem to be able to order it direct from Italy - if you go on the Sebart shop site then the options become clearer.
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You get retracts - but not the edf set up (the version with fan etc is £700). The turbine install kit is £59 (includes a very nice pipe, tank and some bit of ply that fit it all together).
You seem to be able to order it direct from Italy - if you go on the Sebart shop site then the options become clearer.
You seem to be able to order it direct from Italy - if you go on the Sebart shop site then the options become clearer.
John