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Old 06-21-2020, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by skymaster68 View Post
Hey !!
I'll get my Carf Rebel Pro in a few more weeks and I want to use the new KT180 G4 for power as it's lighter than other 180's out there, what do you guys think on this?
I've seen some videos of people usng 180 and they seems to be more than good....
It's not enough for me, but it will surely fly it. I've seen a repaired Pirotti Pro fly on a 180g3. Not lethargic, but obviously not unlimited vertical, not very fast, and requires energy build up for any vertical maneuvers. But it was around 36lbs dry. The Carf versions should be around 32-33lbs dry, so that helps.
If you want light and floaty and don't care about speed or vertical, the 180 g4 is nice and light, lighter than any other 180, I believe.
Me? I'm waiting on the swiwin sw220b, and I'm "settling" on it. I was originally going to go with their 250, but it probably won't be available until next year. With my 85N powered, 16lb take off weight Rebel hot, I can pull vertical, establish my upline, do a negative 1-1/4 snap, go full throttle, power through the upline, and push over top for a crossbox humpty. Or do a slow, dirty fly by, clean up, pull vertical and go full throttle, and go up until i don't want to anymore. Guaranteed, can't do that with a 180-powered Pro.

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Old 06-22-2020, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bodywerks View Post
It's not enough for me, but it will surely fly it. I've seen a repaired Pirotti Pro fly on a 180g3. Not lethargic, but obviously not unlimited vertical, not very fast, and requires energy build up for any vertical maneuvers. But it was around 36lbs dry. The Carf versions should be around 32-33lbs dry, so that helps.
If you want light and floaty and don't care about speed or vertical, the 180 g4 is nice and light, lighter than any other 180, I believe.
Me? I'm waiting on the swiwin sw220b, and I'm "settling" on it. I was originally going to go with their 250, but it probably won't be available until next year. With my 85N powered, 16lb take off weight Rebel hot, I can pull vertical, establish my upline, do a negative 1-1/4 snap, go full throttle, power through the upline, and push over top for a crossbox humpty. Or do a slow, dirty fly by, clean up, pull vertical and go full throttle, and go up until i don't want to anymore. Guaranteed, can't do that with a 180-powered Pro.
I flew my rebel pros with a k180G and with a k210g2, and to be entirely honest, I hardly notice the difference. It does have a little bit better vertical, but it's really not much of a difference. They are both approximately 15kg dry
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Old 06-22-2020, 08:15 AM
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Everyone says that about a lot of jets and powerplants. I notice every pound of thrust. I'm at near 10,000ft density altitude where I fly right now due to the summer heat and I am noticing the power loss. And I noticed the power increase when I flew at a jet rally at 0 feet elevation in February and performance was night and day to me.
I also had a 170- powered Predator at 29lbs dry. I considered it decently powered but I wouldn't have objected to putting a 180 in it.
Different strokes, I guess. I subscribe to the philosophy of greater than 1:1 thrust at take off or I'm not interested. And because where I fly is almost always over 5k feet density altitude it's that much more important to me.
Old 06-22-2020, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bodywerks View Post
Everyone says that about a lot of jets and powerplants. I notice every pound of thrust. I'm at near 10,000ft density altitude where I fly right now due to the summer heat and I am noticing the power loss. And I noticed the power increase when I flew at a jet rally at 0 feet elevation in February and performance was night and day to me.
I also had a 170- powered Predator at 29lbs dry. I considered it decently powered but I wouldn't have objected to putting a 180 in it.
Different strokes, I guess. I subscribe to the philosophy of greater than 1:1 thrust at take off or I'm not interested. And because where I fly is almost always over 5k feet density altitude it's that much more important to me.
In your case I couldn't agree more, your enviroment makes sence to your statement also if your runway is paved or grass it matters on take off distance, I fly at 1500 ft paved runway and T of 35* max at summer time... I've seen a Pro on P180 flying in summer Miami heat with plenty of power, that's why I choose the new 180G4 that is actually lighter in weight than other 180's around

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Old 06-22-2020, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by skymaster68 View Post
In your case I couldn't agree more, your enviroment makes sence to your statement also if your runway is paved or grass it matters on take off distance, I fly at 1500 ft paved runway and T of 35* max at summer time... I've seen a Pro on P180 flying in summer Miami heat with plenty of power, that's why I choose the new 180G4 that is actually lighter in weight than other 180's around
Keep it light, no unnecessary bells n whistles or 8 battery packs to run 8 different things, dnd maybe even either don't fill the tank all the way or have a 4.5L tank built and you'll be golden.
Mine's getting 3 batteries. Two 3100mah 2s li-ions to run the servos and gear, and a 3s2p 5200mah li-ion for turbine, and smoke if I decide to add smoke. Other than a powersafe receiver, no other gizmos. If I add a gyro, the as3000 adds a half ounce.
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Originally Posted by FenderBean View Post
well, thats my experience I had with the model and why I removed it. I flew the model plenty before I even added the crow and it would happen every time if I attempted to land near the same speed as before. It required more power to maintain a higher speed, which in turn made a flatter profile, I know the aerodynamics behind it but this was my experience with the crow and why I removed it.
How much crow did you use? Usually about 1/8" is all that's needed 1/4" max.
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Originally Posted by causeitflies View Post
How much crow did you use? Usually about 1/8" is all that's needed 1/4" max.
about that much
Old 06-22-2020, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bodywerks View Post
It's not enough for me, but it will surely fly it. I've seen a repaired Pirotti Pro fly on a 180g3. Not lethargic, but obviously not unlimited vertical, not very fast, and requires energy build up for any vertical maneuvers. But it was around 36lbs dry. The Carf versions should be around 32-33lbs dry, so that helps.
If you want light and floaty and don't care about speed or vertical, the 180 g4 is nice and light, lighter than any other 180, I believe.
Me? I'm waiting on the swiwin sw220b, and I'm "settling" on it. I was originally going to go with their 250, but it probably won't be available until next year. With my 85N powered, 16lb take off weight Rebel hot, I can pull vertical, establish my upline, do a negative 1-1/4 snap, go full throttle, power through the upline, and push over top for a crossbox humpty. Or do a slow, dirty fly by, clean up, pull vertical and go full throttle, and go up until i don't want to anymore. Guaranteed, can't do that with a 180-powered Pro.

Nick, by chance are you talking about this Rebel. This was a damaged bird due to a canopy loss.
Best flying aircraft I have had to date.

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Originally Posted by Wclays View Post

Nick, by chance are you talking about this Rebel. This was a damaged bird due to a canopy loss.
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That's the one. I was guessing on dry weight and generation of the 180 though.
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Originally Posted by FenderBean View Post
well, thats my experience I had with the model and why I removed it. I flew the model plenty before I even added the crow and it would happen every time if I attempted to land near the same speed as before. It required more power to maintain a higher speed, which in turn made a flatter profile, I know the aerodynamics behind it but this was my experience with the crow and why I removed it.
I would say I agree that crow probably results in a faster landing speed, which I consider a plus since it keeps your turbine RPM up so a go-around would be easier to do since spool up time would be less.
That said, I no longer set my landing flaps up to automatically have crow. I now have a 4th flight mode that adds crow if I want it, because I would say there are instances where I would want a slower approach, like on a super short runway, where I would not run crow and just be on higher alert to look for the wing to get tipsy easier.
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Keep it light, no unnecessary bells n whistles or 8 battery packs to run 8 different things, dnd maybe even either don't fill the tank all the way or have a 4.5L tank built and you'll be golden.
Mine's getting 3 batteries. Two 3100mah 2s li-ions to run the servos and gear, and a 3s2p 5200mah li-ion for turbine, and smoke if I decide to add smoke. Other than a powersafe receiver, no other gizmos. If I add a gyro, the as3000 adds a half ounce.
Well The is this to have this on board
K180G4
8x Savox 1270
2200 mAh Liffe for turbine
2x 3100 mAh JETI Li-ion for electronics and LG
Jeti Rex 12 Assist Rx and DSM10 electronic Switch coupled to a Jeti R3 rsw
100 ML UAT from FCT
Stock 5L Fuel tank that might use only 4Lt as on my Eurosport I'm running a K210 on 3,7Lt tanks and the endurance is 6:30 plus a minute reserve
500cc Smoke tank and Holly smokes fuel pump
that's it, I think is preatty light, I might add a cortex pro in stead of ussing the assis of the rex12 but that would be basically it.

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Originally Posted by skymaster68 View Post
Well The is this to have this on board
K180G4
8x Savox 1270
2200 mAh Liffe for turbine
2x 3100 mAh JETI Li-ion for electronics and LG
Jeti Rex 12 Assist Rx and DSM10 electronic Switch coupled to a Jeti R3 rsw
100 ML UAT from FCT
Stock 5L Fuel tank that might use only 4Lt as on my Eurosport I'm running a K210 on 3,7Lt tanks and the endurance is 6:30 plus a minute reserve
500cc Smoke tank and Holly smokes fuel pump
that's it, I think is preatty light, I might add a cortex pro in stead of ussing the assis of the rex12 but that would be basically it.
Running same batteries for rx/gear and same servos, except Spektrum a6300's on flaps n rudder(530oz torque), and 3s2p 5200mah Jeti li-ion for turbine/smoke pump(if I decide to run smoke).
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New CMJETS Tanks for Rebel Pro. 5.5L and 6.5L, with or without UAT 300ml and Festo or Tygon version.






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Wish I would have known about the 5.5L/UAT option before I ordered :/ The 6.5L is WAY to much fuel, and the diameter is too big to fit through the former that is factory installed in the CARF Rebel Pro.
I'm hoping I'll be able to trim the former, and not too much, to make it fit, and I am going to mark where 5.5L is and only fill it to there.
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The 5.5L is 245mm long and the 6.5L is 320mm.
the ball has 75mm of diameter.
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Originally Posted by bodywerks View Post
Wish I would have known about the 5.5L/UAT option before I ordered :/ The 6.5L is WAY to much fuel, and the diameter is too big to fit through the former that is factory installed in the CARF Rebel Pro.
I'm hoping I'll be able to trim the former, and not too much, to make it fit, and I am going to mark where 5.5L is and only fill it to there.
‘The Pirotti tank was also bigger then the former install......since its round and fairly deep inside the fuselage and I wasn’t really able to mark exactly what needed to be removed.......So I used my round method

Sticky back Sand paper around the base of a empty paint can........go around and around until it fit, it take wood and stay in a round shape....work well but take a bit more time then marking and using a dremel....
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What diameter has the former of the fuselage of Carf plane ??

some pictures??

thanks
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Originally Posted by cmjets View Post
What diameter has the former of the fuselage of Carf plane ??

some pictures??

thanks
‘Don’t know wasn’t able to precisely measure it..... LOL
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Them .... someone have the plane for take the measure ????
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It's about 2-3mm smaller in diameter than your tank. I'll get measurements for you today.
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Them .... someone have the plane for take the measure ????
I'm getting right at 179mm for the tank former diameter. I'm sure a 180mm tank would be a nice snug fit with very little sanding.
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Originally Posted by bodywerks View Post
I'm getting right at 179mm for the tank former diameter. I'm sure a 180mm tank would be a nice snug fit with very little sanding.
my tank is 170mm
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Originally Posted by cmjets View Post
my tank is 170mm
the 6.5L with built in UAT? If so then I'm probably off by 10mm and that makes your tank just 1mm too big, which isn't worth changing the mold over.
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Cool, send me pictures of the tank installed, please.
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Cool, send me pictures of the tank installed, please.
Will do, once done. Haven't started on the jet yet.

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