Kingtech Oil vs DTE
04-01-2018, 09:26 AM
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Kingtech Oil vs DTE
Silly to have two different gas jugs or is it?
Does anyone have experience using Kingtech oil in other brands of turbines?
I am presently using DTE in J/C and Jetsmunt units but would gladly switch to only Kingtech oil
to save the hassle of two different jugs.
Peter.
Does anyone have experience using Kingtech oil in other brands of turbines?
I am presently using DTE in J/C and Jetsmunt units but would gladly switch to only Kingtech oil
to save the hassle of two different jugs.
Peter.
04-01-2018, 10:58 AM
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From what I've read/heard Kingtech oil is Shell T32, which is Shell's version of DTE Lite. I believe Kingtech adds a little anti static to it. I doubt that anyone could tell the difference between an engine run on Kingtech vs. DTE. I know that's not Kingtech's position because they want you to buy their stuff. Perhaps someone in the know could chime in.
04-01-2018, 11:49 AM
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The KingTech oil should be fine for your other engines. The biggest thing I do not like about it is that it only comes in two gallon jugs. I'm not sure about the anti-static.
I run JC/s, KingTechs and a Behotec on JetCat oil which comes in one quart containers, has anti-static fluid and contains no carcinogens.
I run JC/s, KingTechs and a Behotec on JetCat oil which comes in one quart containers, has anti-static fluid and contains no carcinogens.
04-01-2018, 11:58 AM
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The KingTech oil should be fine for your other engines. The biggest thing I do not like about it is that it only comes in two gallon jugs. I'm not sure about the anti-static.
I run JC/s, KingTechs and a Behotec on JetCat oil which comes in one quart containers, has anti-static fluid and contains no carcinogens.
I run JC/s, KingTechs and a Behotec on JetCat oil which comes in one quart containers, has anti-static fluid and contains no carcinogens.
04-01-2018, 01:43 PM
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Cool, another oil thread!
What I can't understand is how some manufacturers are happy to recommend an oil & warrant their engines
using it but other manufacturers forbid use of that oil, say they can tell if you have been using it & will void
your warranty if you use it.
Turbines are basically the same design (except for small detail changes), use the same bearings & even use
common equipment like ECUs & pumps yet some manufacturers want you to use their 'special' oil exclusively
which, surprise, surprise, is more expensive. Smells like marketing rather than engineering to me.
As for Peter's original question, if you are happy to pay the price for Kingtech oil, and, perhaps more importantly
if it's hassle free & convenient to obtain it then I would certainly use it.
While we're asking questions what's everyone's thoughts on downwind turns?
What I can't understand is how some manufacturers are happy to recommend an oil & warrant their engines
using it but other manufacturers forbid use of that oil, say they can tell if you have been using it & will void
your warranty if you use it.
Turbines are basically the same design (except for small detail changes), use the same bearings & even use
common equipment like ECUs & pumps yet some manufacturers want you to use their 'special' oil exclusively
which, surprise, surprise, is more expensive. Smells like marketing rather than engineering to me.
As for Peter's original question, if you are happy to pay the price for Kingtech oil, and, perhaps more importantly
if it's hassle free & convenient to obtain it then I would certainly use it.
While we're asking questions what's everyone's thoughts on downwind turns?
Last edited by Boomerang1; 04-01-2018 at 01:46 PM.
04-01-2018, 02:49 PM
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You don't understand; I'm not interested in pouring oil from one container to another so it can be poured into the fuel. Let alone having to cleanup afterward and try to keep the dang dust/dirt out of everything. That's why I went to the premeasured bottles of Stihl Ultra for my two strokes long before my first turbine. I tried screwing around with the Redline, but it was just a pain in the butt.... lol
04-01-2018, 03:24 PM
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In the past, I used Kingtech oil in my JetCats. Then switched to Mobile. Got a K160 coming for a new plane and am planning to use Kingtech exclusively, one the case of Mobile is gone.
I did have one P-90RXi disintegrate. But, I don't think that was due to oil problems.
I did have one P-90RXi disintegrate. But, I don't think that was due to oil problems.
04-01-2018, 06:17 PM
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You don't understand; I'm not interested in pouring oil from one container to another so it can be poured into the fuel. Let alone having to cleanup afterward and try to keep the dang dust/dirt out of everything. That's why I went to the premeasured bottles of Stihl Ultra for my two strokes long before my first turbine. I tried screwing around with the Redline, but it was just a pain in the butt.... lol
04-01-2018, 09:25 PM
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Hi Guys,
A little history of KingTech oil, since the beginning, V1 was introduced and formulated with Tellus 32, and was then replaced by the V2 (a different base oil and additives) also from Shell. We apologize about the confusion for not having updated the website picture file. If you take a look at any KT oil purchased within the last two years or so, it will indicate V2 and not Tellus 32.
However, since November 2017, we found a fully synthetic variant, that doesn't require the exploration of virgin petroleum oil. The V3 (beta) KingTech oil is so eco friendly that it is Executive Order 13149 compliant. Besides all the benefits of V2 KT oil, the new V3 will have a new zinc/phosphorous additive to minimize wear in high speed and high pressure vane. It also has the highest viscosity index in its class, at 116, which is big if you have wide seasonal variations. To date, beta testing is almost complete with superior results.
Regards,
Barry
A little history of KingTech oil, since the beginning, V1 was introduced and formulated with Tellus 32, and was then replaced by the V2 (a different base oil and additives) also from Shell. We apologize about the confusion for not having updated the website picture file. If you take a look at any KT oil purchased within the last two years or so, it will indicate V2 and not Tellus 32.
However, since November 2017, we found a fully synthetic variant, that doesn't require the exploration of virgin petroleum oil. The V3 (beta) KingTech oil is so eco friendly that it is Executive Order 13149 compliant. Besides all the benefits of V2 KT oil, the new V3 will have a new zinc/phosphorous additive to minimize wear in high speed and high pressure vane. It also has the highest viscosity index in its class, at 116, which is big if you have wide seasonal variations. To date, beta testing is almost complete with superior results.
Regards,
Barry
Last edited by marquisvns; 04-01-2018 at 09:29 PM.
04-01-2018, 09:29 PM
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Been running Kingtech Oil in all my engines since I started flying turbines, Kingtechs, JetsMunt, and Jetcat, always performs flawlessly, and has the anti-static already in it. Also On a price basis, it is one of the best out there, 90$ shipped to your door for 2 gallons. Pouring it is also very easy, the gallon jug has circles molded in the side at every quart level, I just fill those circles in with a sharpie when I get the oil so I can see the marks clearlyl. Then I take my Fuel can pour a quart in using the dots as the reference, and fill with fuel... Very easy, and proven. I got a Gallon of the new Oil from Barry back at the beginning of this year, went through it pretty quickly, and my engines are running Perfectly. Personally, I will not run any other oil besides Kingtech.
Last edited by raron455; 04-01-2018 at 09:35 PM.
04-01-2018, 09:35 PM
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Regards,
Barry
04-01-2018, 09:38 PM
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Been running Kingtech Oil in all my engines since I started flying turbines, Kingtechs, JetsMunt, and Jetcat, always performs flawlessly, and has the anti-static already in it. Also On a price basis, it is one of the best out there, 90$ shipped to your door for 2 gallons. Pouring it is also very easy, the gallon jug has circles molded in the side at every quart level, I just fill those circles in with a sharpie when I get the oil so I can see the marks clearlyl. Then I take my Fuel can pour a quart in using the dots as the reference, and fill with fuel... Very easy, and proven. I got a Gallon of the new Oil from Barry back at the beginning of this year, went through it pretty quickly, and my engines are running Perfectly. Personally, I will not run any other oil besides Kingtech.
Regards,
Barry
Last edited by marquisvns; 04-01-2018 at 09:43 PM.
04-02-2018, 05:44 AM
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I'm still relatively new to all this and I know it's probably been hashed out in these forums, but what could a particular oil have (or not have) that could cause such dramatic wear?
04-02-2018, 06:21 AM
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04-02-2018, 06:54 AM
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For another cool plug for Barry and the team, when I bought my engines (K-85 G2’s), Barry et al, sent me two free gallons of their oil even though I didn’t buy any. Now that’s good looking out.
Unfortunately for me, I had bought a case of aero shell 500 just before I seriously started running my Kingtech’s so I have 2 jersey modelers, one for my KingTechs and 1 for all my other engines. As soon as I burn through my A500, I’ll switch over to KingTech oil to everything.
I also cant praise those new G2’s enough! I’ll start a new thread about those however!
Unfortunately for me, I had bought a case of aero shell 500 just before I seriously started running my Kingtech’s so I have 2 jersey modelers, one for my KingTechs and 1 for all my other engines. As soon as I burn through my A500, I’ll switch over to KingTech oil to everything.
I also cant praise those new G2’s enough! I’ll start a new thread about those however!
04-02-2018, 07:03 AM
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There seems to be a lot of marketing hype when it comes to oils. Granted there are certain oils that shouldn't be used. I don't buy into the 'buy my oil, everything else is junk' story line. DTE has been widely used by hundreds of modellers for years. I've been using DTE Lite for over 6 years in Jets Munt, Jet Central, and Wren engines with no issues.
I wish that someone would conduct a proper DOE (Design Of Experiments) evaluation and publish the results. It wouldn't be hard to get 5 or 6 of the same engine and run a durability cycle in a lab until failure with the only variable being the oil. However, not too many, other than the engine manufacturers are equipped to do this. They just don't have much incentive to invest the time and money. It's easier to let customers do the testing.
04-02-2018, 07:46 AM
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Agree 100% with what he says... Its the best oil, cheapest price with delivered to your door and super easy to measure. Not sure what more people want.
Been running Kingtech Oil in all my engines since I started flying turbines, Kingtechs, JetsMunt, and Jetcat, always performs flawlessly, and has the anti-static already in it. Also On a price basis, it is one of the best out there, 90$ shipped to your door for 2 gallons. Pouring it is also very easy, the gallon jug has circles molded in the side at every quart level, I just fill those circles in with a sharpie when I get the oil so I can see the marks clearlyl. Then I take my Fuel can pour a quart in using the dots as the reference, and fill with fuel... Very easy, and proven. I got a Gallon of the new Oil from Barry back at the beginning of this year, went through it pretty quickly, and my engines are running Perfectly. Personally, I will not run any other oil besides Kingtech.
04-02-2018, 11:32 AM
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What Blows my mind is that "WE" Jet dudes spend thousands and thousands on our jets and turbines and will try to save 10.00 bucks on DTL or other oils that could cause you to loos everything!! The Kingtech will work in most all turbines sooooooooooooo WHY?/?
Just my 2 1/2 cents Billy D
Just my 2 1/2 cents Billy D
Hi Guys,
A little history of KingTech oil, since the beginning, V1 was introduced and formulated with Tellus 32, and was then replaced by the V2 (a different base oil and additives) also from Shell. We apologize about the confusion for not having updated the website picture file. If you take a look at any KT oil purchased within the last two years or so, it will indicate V2 and not Tellus 32.
However, since November 2017, we found a fully synthetic variant, that doesn't require the exploration of virgin petroleum oil. The V3 (beta) KingTech oil is so eco friendly that it is Executive Order 13149 compliant. Besides all the benefits of V2 KT oil, the new V3 will have a new zinc/phosphorous additive to minimize wear in high speed and high pressure vane. It also has the highest viscosity index in its class, at 116, which is big if you have wide seasonal variations. To date, beta testing is almost complete with superior results.
Regards,
Barry
A little history of KingTech oil, since the beginning, V1 was introduced and formulated with Tellus 32, and was then replaced by the V2 (a different base oil and additives) also from Shell. We apologize about the confusion for not having updated the website picture file. If you take a look at any KT oil purchased within the last two years or so, it will indicate V2 and not Tellus 32.
However, since November 2017, we found a fully synthetic variant, that doesn't require the exploration of virgin petroleum oil. The V3 (beta) KingTech oil is so eco friendly that it is Executive Order 13149 compliant. Besides all the benefits of V2 KT oil, the new V3 will have a new zinc/phosphorous additive to minimize wear in high speed and high pressure vane. It also has the highest viscosity index in its class, at 116, which is big if you have wide seasonal variations. To date, beta testing is almost complete with superior results.
Regards,
Barry
04-02-2018, 11:55 AM
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What Blows my mind is that "WE" Jet dudes spend thousands and thousands on our jets and turbines and will try to save 10.00 bucks on DTL or other oils that could cause you to loos everything!! The Kingtech will work in most all turbines sooooooooooooo WHY?/?
Just my 2 1/2 cents Billy D
Just my 2 1/2 cents Billy D
