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Looking for Landing gear for a Dan Gill F9F Panther kit

Old 06-04-2018, 08:52 AM
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Default Looking for Landing gear for a Dan Gill F9F Panther kit

my best friend passed away and he had a 80 Dan Gill (Details 4 Scale F9F Panther kit without the retractable landing gear. Im going to sell if for Steves widow, but need to find gear that will fit the model. Anybody gut any experience with this model?

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Old 06-04-2018, 04:11 PM
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Ziroli gear might be a little small, but I would not let the gear stop you, those gear are pretty simple, anybody these days that is building a kit like this could get gear to fit.
Old 06-04-2018, 04:23 PM
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I am pretty sure that mine uses Robart retracts. Not sure where the struts came from but it has Glennis wheels and brakes which are no longer available. After the molds were sold to BVM you could go to them for replacements parts for the airframe.

The set of Panther gear offered by Robart for the Ziroli Panther is way to small for the Gill Panther.
Old 06-04-2018, 05:36 PM
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I have a blown up ziroli panther 85” and it has Sierra gear. Like Matt said the gear is pretty simple Robart makes something that will fit and look fine.
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I still fly mine. They used robart gear with a changed trunnion and struts that Barry Rayburn had made for them. His handle is U2fast. He may have a set of struts you could buy

Kevin
Old 06-05-2018, 02:16 AM
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I have a Dan Gill Panther, and installed Robarts in it. I will look up the model numbers for the gear and get back with you later today,.
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Thanks for checking Henry. The closest ones Ive found are the Faibau Panther at 81 span and possibly the Bvm 1/5.8 Cougar. The Robert may be the best option.
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Here's what I used:
Robart 636RS for the mains....they have an 85 retraction angle.
For the nose gear, I went with Robart 640HDRS, with a 105 retraction angle.
Robart made me a "One off" nose gear strut which has the correct looking lower unit (Like the Ziroli sized nose gear unit).
I am using the Glennis wheels, brakes and tires too.
A few months ago, Dan told me that he only made and sold six of these kits..

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Old 06-05-2018, 09:10 AM
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Warbird51...if you are going to sell the kit then just list it with no gear included??
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I just went through mine and changed engine to lighter and a few finish touch ups.. I forgot to mark the CG. Do you have plans with CG location? Thanks

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CG?
No problem. The plans are a 3 ring binder full of instructions...no drawings at all.
I will look it up and reply tomorrow.
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Warbird51...if you are going to sell the kit then just list it with no gear included??
to sell it, most people want to know if there is gear available to fit on it. This gives me the info that there is gear that works for it. Thanks to all for the info.

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the instructions say to balance the model 1 forward of the main wing tube or the front scribe line of the forward scale wing-hinge scribe line (exact wording from the manual)
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Wow that seems horribly nose heavy. That's for looking it up. I think Im going to have to calculate for myself to check
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Originally Posted by Harley Condra View Post
CG?
No problem. The plans are a 3 ring binder full of instructions...no drawings at all.
I will look it up and reply tomorrow.
Harley

Can you look up recommended control throws on Elevator and ailerons? Think I have all you can get on ailerons and about 25 mm on elevator


Thanks
Kevin
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Kevin,
From the manual.......
Control surface deflections are as follows:
Elevator travel is: 1.25" UP and 1.00" DOWN.

Rudder travel is: .75" to 1.00" LEFT and RIGHT.

Aileron travel is: 1.25" UP and 1.00" DOWN. (Differential)
As far as the CG is concerned, I would recommend making a few test flights at the factory recommended postion, and then, if you think it is nose heavy, sneak the CG aft in 1/8" increments until satisfied.
Harley
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Originally Posted by Harley Condra View Post
Kevin,
From the manual.......
Control surface deflections are as follows:
Elevator travel is: 1.25" UP and 1.00" DOWN.

Rudder travel is: .75" to 1.00" LEFT and RIGHT.

Aileron travel is: 1.25" UP and 1.00" DOWN. (Differential)
As far as the CG is concerned, I would recommend making a few test flights at the factory recommended postion, and then, if you think it is nose heavy, sneak the CG aft in 1/8" increments until satisfied.
Harley
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I really appreciate the help!!!
Any plans for BVM to market the plane?
I understand what you are saying but the CG is about 10% back of the wing which sounds unflyable to me. I think I calculated the CG some 10 years ago when I first maidened. I wish I was not an old guy and could remember but to many different jets since then. I want to say my calculated cg was on the front spar but I will do calculations again to confirm. I cant believe I forgot to mark my CG when I started taking things out for the redo

Thanks again
Kevin

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