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Old 12-13-2018, 10:06 AM
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Perfectly normal...
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Perfectly normal...
You know some F3A pilots would beg to differ and have nightmares about CG changes in flight
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Originally Posted by ltc
You know some F3A pilots would beg to differ and have nightmares about CG changes in flight
I guess you didn’t fly in the .60 glow era were the tank was right behind the firewall

On jet you don’t feel way out of trim....
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Originally Posted by Dansy


I guess you didn’t fly in the .60 glow era were the tank was right behind the firewall

On jet you don’t feel way out of trim....
Sure did, and even Q500, but nowadays, (14 yrs. back in the hobby) after almost 25... have been more in to Gliders, Sailplanes and 3D electric, and recently the jet bug got me, and CG is very much all. Will do first hopefully soon.

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Originally Posted by jcpl
Sure did, and even Q500, but nowadays, (14 yrs. back in the hobby) after almost 25... have been more in to Gliders, Sailplanes and 3D electric, and recently the jet bug got me, and CG is very much all. Will do first hopefully soon.

Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Dansy


I guess you didn’t fly in the .60 glow era were the tank was right behind the firewall

On jet you don’t feel way out of trim....
I started flying back in 1974
Enya .19 on the front of a Goldberg Falcon 56, Kraft FM radio on 53MHz.
Rudder and Elevator, hand launch, no throttle servo
Back then CG was the last thing on my
mind ... I was thinking how long 5 minute epoxy would take to cure sitting on a bench between flights (crashes) so I could get back up in the air
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Originally Posted by ltc


I started flying back in 1974
Enya .19 on the front of a Goldberg Falcon 56, Kraft FM radio on 53MHz.
Rudder and Elevator, hand launch, no throttle servo
Back then CG was the last thing on my
mind ... I was thinking how long 5 minute epoxy would take to cure sitting on a bench between flights (crashes) so I could get back up in the air
I learn on a senior Falcon...... but I did own a Falcon 56....for a few weeks LOL
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Originally Posted by Bob_B
Another model I would consider converting to the K30! Henke do you have a suggested setup.
28oz tank spot on CG, K30 right up behind the tank, (starter touching the tank) then our 40mm thrust tube. I bet you will shave 2lb of the 12S EDF setup and still maintain 10-11S power with 7-10min flights.

Se above 4min on 30oz with the K45.... if the K30 performs anywhere near a Kolibri it will easily do 7min on 28oz.
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Mine flew today.
Swiwin 60
jeti 12 assist
HSD retracts
custom dual wall pipe
MKS 69&63

exceeded expectations. 60N allows for very short take offs and vertical acceleration as far as you can see it. I could fly 6:30-7 with plenty of reserve due to 1/4-1/3 throttle for most level flight. Ballistic if you want. Fits in car put together for quick trips to field. This plane will see lots of flight time.
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Hello Morewatts, Which Double Wall Pipe did you use? a Grumania?

Regards.
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Originally Posted by Morewatts
Mine flew today.
Swiwin 60
jeti 12 assist
HSD retracts
custom dual wall pipe
MKS 69&63

exceeded expectations. 60N allows for very short take offs and vertical acceleration as far as you can see it. I could fly 6:30-7 with plenty of reserve due to 1/4-1/3 throttle for most level flight. Ballistic if you want. Fits in car put together for quick trips to field. This plane will see lots of flight time.
Hello Morewatts, Which Double Wall Pipe did you use? a Grumania?

Regards.
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A friend of mine made it from the single wall pipe by spot welding the spacer and new inner pipe together. I didn’t like the single wall set up of the conversion kit. The tail is cool during start up and shutdown so I definitely would recommend. I might have drawing and assemble information if you are interested. Unfortunately I don’t think he wants to go into business.
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Originally Posted by Morewatts
A friend of mine made it from the single wall pipe by spot welding the spacer and new inner pipe together. I didn’t like the single wall set up of the conversion kit. The tail is cool during start up and shutdown so I definitely would recommend. I might have drawing and assemble information if you are interested. Unfortunately I don’t think he wants to go into business.
Thank you, I´m not too convinced with single wall kit either, looking in to it. If you would please share the idea, that would be great.

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Single wall works fine, its getting plenty of air and it's fairly short.

I'd recommend some heat paint from BVM to be safe but so far so good with the conversion kit pipe
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Originally Posted by jcpl
Hello Morewatts, Which Double Wall Pipe did you use? a Grumania?

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I don't see a pipe for this plane listed on the Grumania webpage, but I'm sure they could easily make one.
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There is IMO no need for custom pipes for this jet. There are many flying with the stock setup and I’ve not heard of any issues.

Danny
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FYI everyone, I've heard others talk about the HSD brakes are crap, but no one explained it was cause there NOT proportional. I'm not one to waste money on unnecessary equipment , but I ordered the xicoy brake controller. Another set back but should be ready for a Maiden flight by this weekend. I promise no more small jets after this one getting everything to fit is a struggle. Hopefully it balances as I refuse to add weight and I don't have very many places to move my batteries (I always make batteries removable for charging). I did end up adding 8 oz tank right behind wing tube. 42 -43 oz with a jetmunts 70XBL should have plenty of flight time I hope.
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Originally Posted by jesse2357
FYI everyone, I've heard others talk about the HSD brakes are crap, but no one explained it was cause there NOT proportional. I'm not one to waste money on unnecessary equipment , but I ordered the xicoy brake controller. Another set back but should be ready for a Maiden flight by this weekend. I promise no more small jets after this one getting everything to fit is a struggle. Hopefully it balances as I refuse to add weight and I don't have very many places to move my batteries (I always make batteries removable for charging). I did end up adding 8 oz tank right behind wing tube. 42 -43 oz with a jetmunts 70XBL should have plenty of flight time I hope.
The brakes and wheels are made by JP, it's the controller that stinks. Either buy the Xicoy brake controller or the combo Gear?Brake controller problem solved. But I have read that when the brakes get dirty they tend to grab and unevenly.
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anyone wanna share how much take off flaps your using?
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A few degrees, maybe 10 to 15
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Hi All,

I have a couple questions.

1. Is your turbine cone 20-30mm inside the pipe? This does not seem correct. I followed the turbine conversion manual. (See my install)

2. Are there any thrust angle adjustments needed?

3. Where are you placing the fuel pump and ECU battery?

Thank you,

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Bump - Can anyone answer my questions in post 71?

Thank you,

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Originally Posted by F16Jeff

Hi All,

I have a couple questions.

1. Is your turbine cone 20-30mm inside the pipe? This does not seem correct. I followed the turbine conversion manual. (See my install)

2. Are there any thrust angle adjustments needed?

3. Where are you placing the fuel pump and ECU battery?

Thank you,
1- That look about right.
2- look inside the tail pipe and if the motor is not center......then you need to adjust/shim to center it.
3- As far as possible to the Receiver/antenna.....where ever it fit...and can achieve a proper C&G.
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Originally Posted by Dansy
1- That look about right.
2- look inside the tail pipe and if the motor is not center......then you need to adjust/shim to center it.
3- As far as possible to the Receiver/antenna.....where ever it fit...and can achieve a proper C&G.
Thank you Dansy, appreciate the confirmation.

Jeff
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So got mine maidened (twice, Plumbing issue caused a flame out) plus now 5 flights. A grand total of 7 flights. Setup is KST 215mg servos 2x 2s2500 mah LiPO batteries (one for receiver gear and brakes one for turbine) M70 XBL turbine Jeti Rex 12 assist (built in gyro). I had the xicoy brake controller in it, but it burned up after I left the brakes on for a long period of time. I went back to the trusty Jp brake controller I have used for a while now. Still proportional but doesn't have the ABS system. I have the 100ml FCT UAT,stock tank plus an 8 oz tank underneath giving me right at 7 minutes of invigorating flying. Balance is at 213mm. It may be a little tail heavy there but I'm allergic to adding weight to a model. Only place I notice is when I try and do inverted outside loops it snaps out of it. Despite the very narrow wing it lands very slow almost walking speed and hasn't dropped a wing on me yet. I was getting wing rock on it just flying around but the gyro cleaned it up so I'm not worried about it. I will say she isn't quite as fast as my ultraflash with a 140 in it but from a stand still she shoots out like a rocket and is still faster then my 1.7m T-1. She gets small in a hurry and I'm sure glad I got the orange one as I can see it well even on crappy days. She's my second favorite at the moment, only surpassed by my T-1 as my favorite, but at half the cost it's a steal.

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