FAA requiring outside markings now
#52
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Guys, you are missing the point. The AMA had this all worked with the FAA about model airplanes. We are the apples of the apples and oranges. The commercial drone guys went nuts because we were originally exempt from UAS rules as long as we in a community based program. They had to pay to play in the airspace. They went to Congress with their lobbyists and pulled out their money bags. Congress got involved.and ejected the AMA from the UAS discussion..WE DIDNT HAVE A VOICE in the final discussion. Want to throw darts....throw them at your Congressman...he let it happen. Modelers were the bug on the windshield even we are not the problem. Until we give campaign contributions to Congress we will be out in the cold.
#53
Guys, you are missing the point. The AMA had this all worked with the FAA about model airplanes. We are the apples of the apples and oranges. The commercial drone guys went nuts because we were originally exempt from UAS rules as long as we in a community based program. They had to pay to play in the airspace. They went to Congress with their lobbyists and pulled out their money bags. Congress got involved.and ejected the AMA from the UAS discussion..WE DIDNT HAVE A VOICE in the final discussion. Want to throw darts....throw them at your Congressman...he let it happen. Modelers were the bug on the windshield even we are not the problem. Until we give campaign contributions to Congress we will be out in the cold.
AMA is a private dues collecting organization, one that should not be involved in the writing and/or implementation of FARs. They can be advised, but promulgation, interpretation, and enforcement is inherently governmental. The new law makes big strides toward restoring that proper firewall between government and a private organization. Once FAA takes over the promulgation of operational limits for recreational sUAS, then the last step will be complete.
#54
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No. Congress realized it was not wise to have a private dues collecting organization, one not directly acccountable to Congress, acting in a quasi-govermental role. I spoke with a number of staffers who understood that 336 allowed AMA, w/o any oversight from Congress, to make operational changes to the FARs (in the form of changes to AMA "safety code") w/o being accountable to anyone but themselves. Similarly, a number of these same staffers saw for themselves how AMA was trying to use 336 to imply that membership in AMA was required in order to fly legally. They rightfully saw that as AMA trying to use law to drive membership.
AMA is a private dues collecting organization, one that should not be involved in the writing and/or implementation of FARs. They can be advised, but promulgation, interpretation, and enforcement is inherently governmental. The new law makes big strides toward restoring that proper firewall between government and a private organization. Once FAA takes over the promulgation of operational limits for recreational sUAS, then the last step will be complete.
AMA is a private dues collecting organization, one that should not be involved in the writing and/or implementation of FARs. They can be advised, but promulgation, interpretation, and enforcement is inherently governmental. The new law makes big strides toward restoring that proper firewall between government and a private organization. Once FAA takes over the promulgation of operational limits for recreational sUAS, then the last step will be complete.
Exactly what the founding fathers envisioned - a people totally controlled by their government - after all, they're the experts (in every thing) so why shouldn't they be!?!?!
Bob
ps. The law codifies what exactly a CBO is (and the AMA fits - exactly) and also states that the FAA can, and should, work with constituents to develop and promulgate those rules, so hopefully we can work with the FAA to continue to practice our safe and enjoyable hobby as we have done in the past...
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#55
Banned
... and We will be in control - MUWAHAHAHA! (evil grin - rubbing hands together...)
Exactly what the founding fathers envisioned - a people totally controlled by their government - after all, they're the experts (in every thing) so why shouldn't they be!?!?!
Bob
ps. The law codifies what exactly a CBO is (and the AMA fits - exactly) and also states that the FAA can, and should, work with constituents to develop and promulgate those rules, so hopefully we can work with the FAA to continue to practice our safe and enjoyable hobby as we have done in the past...
Exactly what the founding fathers envisioned - a people totally controlled by their government - after all, they're the experts (in every thing) so why shouldn't they be!?!?!
Bob
ps. The law codifies what exactly a CBO is (and the AMA fits - exactly) and also states that the FAA can, and should, work with constituents to develop and promulgate those rules, so hopefully we can work with the FAA to continue to practice our safe and enjoyable hobby as we have done in the past...
#56
Banned
I joined and queried the EAA about setting up a recreational section. Primarily for some insurance. They're not interested and will direct you to their buddy, the AMA. I no longer belong to either organization.
#57
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#58
... and We will be in control - MUWAHAHAHA! (evil grin - rubbing hands together...)
Exactly what the founding fathers envisioned - a people totally controlled by their government - after all, they're the experts (in every thing) so why shouldn't they be!?!?!
Bob
ps. The law codifies what exactly a CBO is (and the AMA fits - exactly) and also states that the FAA can, and should, work with constituents to develop and promulgate those rules, so hopefully we can work with the FAA to continue to practice our safe and enjoyable hobby as we have done in the past...
Exactly what the founding fathers envisioned - a people totally controlled by their government - after all, they're the experts (in every thing) so why shouldn't they be!?!?!
Bob
ps. The law codifies what exactly a CBO is (and the AMA fits - exactly) and also states that the FAA can, and should, work with constituents to develop and promulgate those rules, so hopefully we can work with the FAA to continue to practice our safe and enjoyable hobby as we have done in the past...
When EC eventually gets around to a post mortem on the failed strategy, and starts wondering why FAA is taking away authority (safety code now must be coordinate with FAA, and LMA program must be outright approved by FAA), they might want to consider this: AMA has been telling FAA and other aviation stakeholders that they have a Safety Management System. Unfortunately for AMA, the FAA is smart enough to know that without the organization holding itself accountable, there is no SMS. And how can AMA say its holding itself accountable when they "[know] there is a problem ... but they need to address it without driving away members."
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#59
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I wouldn't worry about the FAA much they cant handle all thus stuff we have going on in the full scale world much less the typical AMA flyting field. The only people that are going to enforce this is the that bunch of guys that every flying field has that sits around giving flyers a hard time at the field. We have a crew at our field I avoid since it makes flying not fun anymore when they are around. Lucky for me they go to Denny's at 10:30 every day so I just wait until they leave to fly. One of our jet member's installed a GPS tracker inside his plane to prove he was staying in bounds because of these guys.
Anyway those are the guys that will enforce this stuff. I will be putting my number inside my wheel well some place. If they want to see it I can make sure my vent takes a leak on them.
Anyway those are the guys that will enforce this stuff. I will be putting my number inside my wheel well some place. If they want to see it I can make sure my vent takes a leak on them.
#60
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No. Congress realized it was not wise to have a private dues collecting organization, one not directly acccountable to Congress, acting in a quasi-govermental role. I spoke with a number of staffers who understood that 336 allowed AMA, w/o any oversight from Congress, to make operational changes to the FARs (in the form of changes to AMA "safety code") w/o being accountable to anyone but themselves. Similarly, a number of these same staffers saw for themselves how AMA was trying to use 336 to imply that membership in AMA was required in order to fly legally. They rightfully saw that as AMA trying to use law to drive membership.
AMA is a private dues collecting organization, one that should not be involved in the writing and/or implementation of FARs. They can be advised, but promulgation, interpretation, and enforcement is inherently governmental. The new law makes big strides toward restoring that proper firewall between government and a private organization. Once FAA takes over the promulgation of operational limits for recreational sUAS, then the last step will be complete.
AMA is a private dues collecting organization, one that should not be involved in the writing and/or implementation of FARs. They can be advised, but promulgation, interpretation, and enforcement is inherently governmental. The new law makes big strides toward restoring that proper firewall between government and a private organization. Once FAA takes over the promulgation of operational limits for recreational sUAS, then the last step will be complete.
#61
And I actually cooked eggs and bacon before going flying this morning.
#62
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Jeeze, yes, let's put people who only know how to spell model airplane in charge of model airplane safety - they'll know exactly how to fix the (non) problem.
I long for the days of the Soviet Union - I can't be trusted to control my own destiny...
Bob
#63
Hey, maybe we can get AOC to oversee the FAA and its dealings with recreational model flyers! She's a duly elected government official - and I'm sure she'll have time left over from solving the climate change crisis with the Green New Deal!
Jeeze, yes, let's put people who only know how to spell model airplane in charge of model airplane safety - they'll know exactly how to fix the (non) problem.
I long for the days of the Soviet Union - I can't be trusted to control my own destiny...
Bob
Jeeze, yes, let's put people who only know how to spell model airplane in charge of model airplane safety - they'll know exactly how to fix the (non) problem.
I long for the days of the Soviet Union - I can't be trusted to control my own destiny...
Bob
#64
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It's very hard to say that AMA has any credibility when it comes to safety, especially when they prioritize "not driving away members" over holding individuals accountable for safety violations - in what is arguably the AMA's highest risk operations. So I happen to think it makes sense for FAA to be much more involved in recreational sUAS safety ... for AMA has a financial interest in not taking action ... that whole paid membership thing.
#65
I fundamentally oppose private dues collecting organizations (a) trying to use law to compel membership, (b) attempting to perform a quasi-governmental role w/o accountability, and (c) taking a hands-off attitude toward the actions of its own members while simultaneously calling for FAA to go after non-members.
#66
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The ama is far from perfect but the clowns at the FAA are far worse.
Btw they don’t care about safety only who’s fault it is and who is getting sued.
Was not long long ago a company that did our night vision cockpit on our helicopters was in FAA trouble. The FAA was going to ground all 100 helicopters that got this MOD done. Will then the FAA task force ran out of money and did nothing about this quote unquote safety of flight issue. Then 3 years later they got funding and over night everyone got grounded including the FBI’s own helicopters. Them and us had to fly under public catagory rules that ignore their part 91 rules.
Funny part the the one that started it all was a discruntle
former employee of the company helping the FAA.
I also sat in meetings with the guy responsible for drones in our area and I tried to educate him on what I do on the weekends and he never knew RC jets exsisted. He was trying to get us in law enforcement to help since they for the most part can’t do much to law breakers. Their plan was to get cities to get drone bans as a city policy then normal law enforcement can take care of it all.
The best thing we can do is stay off the negative radar and educate along with promote what we do. Don’t be the ***** at the club that does not help the new guys and do things for the young ones. That will kill the hobby.
I have no no problem setting my transmitter down and helping anyone that wants help at my field. I will buddy box a trainer or set a .46 glow motor. What ever it takes to get people in the air and help them have success. Don’t be the jet snob that I will slap.
Btw they don’t care about safety only who’s fault it is and who is getting sued.
Was not long long ago a company that did our night vision cockpit on our helicopters was in FAA trouble. The FAA was going to ground all 100 helicopters that got this MOD done. Will then the FAA task force ran out of money and did nothing about this quote unquote safety of flight issue. Then 3 years later they got funding and over night everyone got grounded including the FBI’s own helicopters. Them and us had to fly under public catagory rules that ignore their part 91 rules.
Funny part the the one that started it all was a discruntle
former employee of the company helping the FAA.
I also sat in meetings with the guy responsible for drones in our area and I tried to educate him on what I do on the weekends and he never knew RC jets exsisted. He was trying to get us in law enforcement to help since they for the most part can’t do much to law breakers. Their plan was to get cities to get drone bans as a city policy then normal law enforcement can take care of it all.
The best thing we can do is stay off the negative radar and educate along with promote what we do. Don’t be the ***** at the club that does not help the new guys and do things for the young ones. That will kill the hobby.
I have no no problem setting my transmitter down and helping anyone that wants help at my field. I will buddy box a trainer or set a .46 glow motor. What ever it takes to get people in the air and help them have success. Don’t be the jet snob that I will slap.
#67
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The ama is far from perfect but the clowns at the FAA are far worse.
I also sat in meetings with the guy responsible for drones in our area and I tried to educate him on what I do on the weekends and he never knew RC jets exsisted.
The best thing we can do is stay off the negative radar and educate along with promote what we do. Don’t be the ***** at the club that does not help the new guys and do things for the young ones. That will kill the hobby.
I also sat in meetings with the guy responsible for drones in our area and I tried to educate him on what I do on the weekends and he never knew RC jets exsisted.
The best thing we can do is stay off the negative radar and educate along with promote what we do. Don’t be the ***** at the club that does not help the new guys and do things for the young ones. That will kill the hobby.
#69
Banned
#70
moving something or turning the model over.
#72
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New article that I read this morning. Basically, the new law keeps those of us honest, honest, the ignorant and careless......maybe caught.....and won't affect the criminally inclined.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartandhp
#73
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New article that I read this morning. Basically, the new law keeps those of us honest, honest, the ignorant and careless......maybe caught.....and won't affect the criminally inclined.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartandhp
I don't need a stupid government agency to tell me that flying my toy airplane around full scale airplanes is unsafe, for example. I already know it is unsafe, hence force, I don't do it.
And I bet most here also are naturally inclined to know what's safe and what isn't.
This is just for the government to have teeth. Nothing more, nothing less.