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Old 04-10-2019, 11:27 AM
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Posted today on the Flying Giants , JR Propo is coming back under the leadership of Frank Noll.

As a dedicated JR user for amost 40 years I wish Frank every success.
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Originally Posted by David Gladwin View Post
Posted today on the Flying Giants , JR Propo is coming back under the leadership of Frank Noll.

As a dedicated JR user for amost 40 years I wish Frank every success.
What happened to Dee Force Aviation / RC Depot, did they sell? It was my understanding that they own all of the rights to JR Propo. I've bought products from them lately and they carry a dual DFA/JR logo.

Update:
Just found the article:

https://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/...d.php?t=250107

Seems like Frank Noll is going to head up the Dee Force team here in USA and rebrand the products. Good to hear, it was confusing with the dual branding.

https://www.deeforce.net/

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`JR had a display at the Toledo Show and there was no sign of Dee Force Aviation that I saw. I did see Frank Knoll but he wasn't at the display at that time. There were a couple Japanese ( I think) gentlemen at the display the two times I went by. I don't fly JR so I didn't stop to inquire and just glanced at the radios.
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Originally Posted by causeitflies View Post
`JR had a display at the Toledo Show and there was no sign of Dee Force Aviation that I saw. I did see Frank Knoll but he wasn't at the display at that time. There were a couple Japanese ( I think) gentlemen at the display the two times I went by. I don't fly JR so I didn't stop to inquire and just glanced at the radios.
If you look at the pictures over on FG of the Toledo show, you see "Dee Force" at the bottom of all the banners. JRPROP is no more a solitary company anymore that Spektrum is separate from Horizon.

https://www.deeforce.net/about-us-1

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Originally Posted by Zeeb View Post
If you look at the pictures over on FG of the Toledo show, you see "Dee Force" at the bottom of all the banners. JRPROP is no more a solitary company anymore that Spektrum is separate from Horizon.

https://www.deeforce.net/about-us-1
OK, I see now. I wasn't paying close attention as I was quickly looking over the display.

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Old 04-10-2019, 02:27 PM
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Interesting, I hope we see a nice simple 12/16 ch radio without all the touchscreen android stuff that's compatible with dsmx.
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I keep hearing about DSMX, Don't get your hopes up, I dont see them releasing a radio with DSMX
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Originally Posted by txshan130 View Post
Interesting, I hope we see a nice simple 12/16 ch radio without all the touchscreen android stuff that's compatible with dsmx.
Like Andy said; don't hold your hand over your "you know what" waiting for it to happen. DSM2/DSMX is a proprietary Spektrum format. While stranger things have happened, I seriously doubt you'll see any kind of arrangement to make that sharing of their RF format possible.
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Servos!

Please!!

For the love of ALL that is good.

Please, please, please bring back the trusty and faithful 3421, 8411, 8611, 8711, 8911.

I will be the first to place an order!!!!
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Originally Posted by ravill View Post
Servos!

Please!!

For the love of ALL that is good.

Please, please, please bring back the trusty and faithful 3421, 8411, 8611, 8711, 8911.

I will be the first to place an order!!!!
agreed I'm quite happy with the spektrum receivers and so far the savox servos have been good but I had such confidence in my JR servos that switching has been extremely difficult
Old 04-11-2019, 03:37 PM
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Dee force has the new JR HV servo line on their page. Just go look. If you have flown DMSS don't know why you need DSM.
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too cheap to buy new RX...
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Dee force has the new JR HV servo line on their page. Just go look. If you have flown DMSS don't know why you need DSM.
Agreed. DMSS is superior to DSM, DSM2, DSMX anyway. Way more resolution and rock solid RF link. Why would JR want to go backwards? I stopped using Spektrum receivers with my older compatible JR transmitters a while back due to issues with models being bound sometimes and sometimes not. Never happened in the air, but very concerning on the ground when the model doesn't respond. Not sure what was causing it, but never had a problem again after I bought a new XG-14 with DMSS.
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Well, after over a decade of solid DSM2 with my 12x, I’m hard pressed to say anything bad about DSM2.
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Well, after over a decade of solid DSM2 with my 12x, Im hard pressed to say anything bad about DSM2.
Same here. Only time I ever had a bind issue was if I had my transmitter to close to the airplane when I turned it on. Been flying 12x's for about 12 years myself. Dsm2 and dsmx receivers. If the 28x had been backwards compatible with the dsm2 and dsmx i probably would have bought one but the idea of having to buy over a dozen new receivers as well just didn't put a warm fuzzy feeling with me.
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DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall

DSMX is fine for those.

Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
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Originally Posted by LGM Graphix View Post
Same here. Only time I ever had a bind issue was if I had my transmitter to close to the airplane when I turned it on. Been flying 12x's for about 12 years myself. Dsm2 and dsmx receivers. If the 28x had been backwards compatible with the dsm2 and dsmx i probably would have bought one but the idea of having to buy over a dozen new receivers as well just didn't put a warm fuzzy feeling with me.
Transmitter being too close to the airplane could have been the issue. It seemed most of the time it happened was in the pits. I think it was an issue even if I was farther away too. However if it wasn't bound in the first place, moving futher out wouldn't have helped unless I turned it off and back on again and I can't say that ever happened.

I didn't have even close to that many receivers, so the switch was pretty easy for me. Might have thought otherwise with over a dozen. I never understood why Spektrum and JR shared the same "system" in the first place? I always thought that Spektrum had patented the system and JR was using it under license, but never was for sure. It was good they finally broke out on their own.

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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall

DSMX is fine for those.

Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
Question is, does DMSS work fine at both events?

I always assumed some of the base technology behind each protocol has some common aspects that are licensed between companies. And we didn't even bring up Futaba FAAST. That's another story. :-)

I like these forums because there are some really knowledgeable people on here that have the back story and/or more experience with these systems.

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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall

DSMX is fine for those.

Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
Can you expand on this? Id like to know the details..and who is licensing from whom.

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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall

DSMX is fine for those.

Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
this I would like to read more about to be a better informed poster.
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OH BOY!

Can we start an oil thread just for old times sake while we're having this discussion AGAIN...... lol
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DMSS works great as well. DSM2 stalled at events because it locked up two of 80 available channels and if those 2 became noisy there was nowhere else to go. That's great at local fields where the spectrum just isn't that crowded. DMSX expanded that to frequency hopping of course and DMSS is just another implementation of DSMX, frequency agile to avoid interference. All stuff I was working on in the Navy long before it became the dujoior RC protocol. Even Futaba was doing 2.4 commercially long before Spektrum came out with the original DX7.

As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
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Originally Posted by bchapman View Post
Transmitter being too close to the airplane could have been the issue. It seemed most of the time it happened was in the pits. I think it was an issue even if I was farther away too. However if it wasn't bound in the first place, moving futher out wouldn't have helped unless I turned it off and back on again and I can't say that ever happened.

I didn't have even close to that many receivers, so the switch was pretty easy for me. Might have thought otherwise with over a dozen. I never understood why Spektrum and JR shared the same "system" in the first place? I always thought that Spektrum had patented the system and JR was using it under license, but never was for sure. It was good they finally broke out on their own.

You are correct that moving further away would do nothing unless you switched off the system. I have mostly had it happe With my pylon racers as I generally don't turn on the radio until I'm ready to start the airplane and they are too close Once everything is on and bound though I've never lost bind.
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
DMSS works great as well. DSM2 stalled at events because it locked up two of 80 available channels and if those 2 became noisy there was nowhere else to go. That's great at local fields where the spectrum just isn't that crowded. DMSX expanded that to frequency hopping of course and DMSS is just another implementation of DSMX, frequency agile to avoid interference. All stuff I was working on in the Navy long before it became the dujoior RC protocol. Even Futaba was doing 2.4 commercially long before Spektrum came out with the original DX7.

As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
Thanks for the information! I'm more informed than I was before!

I bet you gained a lot of knowledge in the Navy working on this kind of equipment. Thanks for your service!

Brian

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