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09-01-2019, 10:40 AM
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No, but generally people who have gained enough experience to safely operate a high performance model aircraft have also learned how to make simple repairs on them too.
I guess with ARF's dominating the market it is now possible to gain flying skills without any building (or repair) skills, but I find that rather sad.
I guess with ARF's dominating the market it is now possible to gain flying skills without any building (or repair) skills, but I find that rather sad.
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09-01-2019, 11:20 AM
#52
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No, but generally people who have gained enough experience to safely operate a high performance model aircraft have also learned how to make simple repairs on them too.
I guess with ARF's dominating the market it is now possible to gain flying skills without any building (or repair) skills, but I find that rather sad.
I guess with ARF's dominating the market it is now possible to gain flying skills without any building (or repair) skills, but I find that rather sad.
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09-01-2019, 03:35 PM
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That way choose the jet that really really want and don’t worry about what need to be done to get up flying.
09-01-2019, 07:47 PM
#54
Not sure if your a Turbine Waiver yet.....but either way, if i was you and obviously unable to do some very simple building tasks....I would simply hire a local guy that does jet building.....they are all over...that way you get a jet build properly, and somebody to assist you and do repair....all you have to do is provide cash 💰
That way choose the jet that really really want and don’t worry about what need to be done to get up flying.
09-02-2019, 10:49 PM
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I'm always amused that customers are 'expected' to have to repair or modify new kits due to poor or bad manufacture, yes this might be an easy fix but why should customers have to start by fixing things, if you bought a new car surely the first place you visit is not the workshop to start fixing manufacturing problems with glue etc - unacceptable IMO and maybe why I no longer build.
If the former is not needed then don't fit it in the first place, if it is then don't cut it in half
marcs
If the former is not needed then don't fit it in the first place, if it is then don't cut it in half
marcs
09-03-2019, 06:57 AM
#57
If we only lived in a perfect world, CARF provide very good flying models in most disciplines, at an affordable price.
Speaking of new cars you could nit pick all day long if you want to be really pedantic.
Speaking of new cars you could nit pick all day long if you want to be really pedantic.
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09-03-2019, 09:02 AM
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Not sure what cars you buy but a new car regardless of its make should come unblemished without 'bits chopped out'.
If the former is not required then as said leave it out, will save time and money at CARF's end, if they need it in there then move it back 15mm (as DW says its not structural) and avoid having to chop it about. Its not about a perfect world but this sort of 'hacking' is totally avoidable, doing things right does not mean it costs more, I know as have designed and manufactured kits myself so can speak from a point of experience.
marcs
If the former is not required then as said leave it out, will save time and money at CARF's end, if they need it in there then move it back 15mm (as DW says its not structural) and avoid having to chop it about. Its not about a perfect world but this sort of 'hacking' is totally avoidable, doing things right does not mean it costs more, I know as have designed and manufactured kits myself so can speak from a point of experience.
marcs
09-05-2019, 03:58 AM
#59
I don't think anyone would argue that Marc, my only point is it's not something I would let hold up a build over as it is minor.
Every car I've owned has had some issue right from brand new, warranty will deal with most issues but it still means having to take the vehicle in to get it repaired. Depending on what the issue is, sometimes it's just easier to fix it myself than deal with the hassle of taking it in. I'm sure if a big enough deal was made about this former carf would exchange the fuselage but is the hassle really worth it vs the 5 minute fix it would be?
Every car I've owned has had some issue right from brand new, warranty will deal with most issues but it still means having to take the vehicle in to get it repaired. Depending on what the issue is, sometimes it's just easier to fix it myself than deal with the hassle of taking it in. I'm sure if a big enough deal was made about this former carf would exchange the fuselage but is the hassle really worth it vs the 5 minute fix it would be?
09-05-2019, 04:15 AM
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I just wonder how we come to compare a $75,000.00 Truck (in my case) to a RC hobby plane....just amazing info there....
If they dont need fixing when new.....they will eventually
And there’s a big different in thinking something is required to it need a full structural reworks.....sometime I’m really amazed from the answer I see......
If they dont need fixing when new.....they will eventually
And there’s a big different in thinking something is required to it need a full structural reworks.....sometime I’m really amazed from the answer I see......
09-05-2019, 08:41 AM
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Daniel life is all about being amazed mate!
Cost is irrelevant, new is new period. No harm setting the standards high and while I would do what LGM would do my point is this is such a simple thing to do right that it should be done right in the first place at the factory, my whole grip with some kit manufacturers is they literally dump a load of badly fitting parts in a box, without any instructions and expect the builder to spend hours faffing about trying to get parts to fit, making mods and so on, we all know who the main culprits are.
There are a host of good manufacturers about who do deliver some great kits but IMO nobody does it like BVM used to, the manual was a work of art in itself.
marcs
Cost is irrelevant, new is new period. No harm setting the standards high and while I would do what LGM would do my point is this is such a simple thing to do right that it should be done right in the first place at the factory, my whole grip with some kit manufacturers is they literally dump a load of badly fitting parts in a box, without any instructions and expect the builder to spend hours faffing about trying to get parts to fit, making mods and so on, we all know who the main culprits are.
There are a host of good manufacturers about who do deliver some great kits but IMO nobody does it like BVM used to, the manual was a work of art in itself.
marcs
09-05-2019, 10:58 AM
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Daniel life is all about being amazed mate!
Cost is irrelevant, new is new period. No harm setting the standards high and while I would do what LGM would do my point is this is such a simple thing to do right that it should be done right in the first place at the factory, my whole grip with some kit manufacturers is they literally dump a load of badly fitting parts in a box, without any instructions and expect the builder to spend hours faffing about trying to get parts to fit, making mods and so on, we all know who the main culprits are.
There are a host of good manufacturers about who do deliver some great kits but IMO nobody does it like BVM used to, the manual was a work of art in itself.
marcs
Cost is irrelevant, new is new period. No harm setting the standards high and while I would do what LGM would do my point is this is such a simple thing to do right that it should be done right in the first place at the factory, my whole grip with some kit manufacturers is they literally dump a load of badly fitting parts in a box, without any instructions and expect the builder to spend hours faffing about trying to get parts to fit, making mods and so on, we all know who the main culprits are.
There are a host of good manufacturers about who do deliver some great kits but IMO nobody does it like BVM used to, the manual was a work of art in itself.
marcs
Anyway back to the tread.....
09-09-2019, 05:42 AM
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I was thinking about getting one, believing the CARF is doing a better job than Pirotti.
I was planning an x45 but I'm flying on a grass runway. I'm a bit concerned if it will be ok or not ? We have a 180m runway with a really nice and short grass.
I was planning an x45 but I'm flying on a grass runway. I'm a bit concerned if it will be ok or not ? We have a 180m runway with a really nice and short grass.
09-09-2019, 08:28 AM
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09-09-2019, 09:12 AM
#67
Started work this morning, I had to slightly adjust the servo mounts. I will also have to pull the pipe to drill the holes in the carbon bellmouth that allow the pipe to be secured to the back of the engine former.
Looking forward to getting this model flying in time for Georgia Jet Event!
Looking forward to getting this model flying in time for Georgia Jet Event!
09-09-2019, 10:08 AM
#68
Started work this morning, I had to slightly adjust the servo mounts. I will also have to pull the pipe to drill the holes in the carbon bellmouth that allow the pipe to be secured to the back of the engine former.
Looking forward to getting this model flying in time for Georgia Jet Event!
Looking forward to getting this model flying in time for Georgia Jet Event!
Thank you in advance
09-10-2019, 04:05 AM
#69
Bob, I look forward to your build photos, this looks like an interesting combination.
I hope to see it fly in person at your event in October.
After reading through this thread I can now I see why there has been a mass exodus to Face Book over the past few years, too much off topic comments!
Too bad RCU has diminished to this...
I hope to see it fly in person at your event in October.
After reading through this thread I can now I see why there has been a mass exodus to Face Book over the past few years, too much off topic comments!
Too bad RCU has diminished to this...
09-16-2019, 12:49 PM
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