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Old 10-25-2022, 03:37 AM
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Back of the wing tube with 1/3 tank fuel
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Old 10-26-2022, 07:39 PM
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I may work my way there as back of the wing tube with full UAT is not enough.
Old 10-26-2022, 08:48 PM
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All the fuel is in front of the balance. You have to balance all Rebels with a good amount of fuel in the main tank, then they fly great.
My P-60 version is not super light and the 20 year old P-60 not even giving 60N and I can knife edge horizon to horizon at 3/4 power and less than full rudder…
Running the tank with a felt clunk down to minimum fuel, it’s still very stable at landing
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:42 PM
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Best balance tip ever Dave!
Old 10-27-2022, 03:35 PM
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I am just over 17 lbs taking off full fuel with an older kingtech 60 my CG is at the aft edge of the wing tube and I it flies great. I can also knife edge one end of the sky to the other at 3/4 throttle . Only thing I’m thinking , if it flies this good at 17 lbs with an older motor then it must fly even better with a newer lighter swb60 or equivalent
Old 10-27-2022, 08:52 PM
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I built mine expecting a new ‘baby’ turbine release, the World craziness has delayed it coming, but mine will get a lighter unit with a little more power next year…fingers crossed 🤞
Old 10-28-2022, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Wilshere
I built mine expecting a new ‘baby’ turbine release, the World craziness has delayed it coming, but mine will get a lighter unit with a little more power next year…fingers crossed 🤞
Is this a new JetCat to replace the older P60?
Old 10-28-2022, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Wilshere
I built mine expecting a new ‘baby’ turbine release, the World craziness has delayed it coming, but mine will get a lighter unit with a little more power next year…fingers crossed 🤞
You've let the Cat out of the bag!
Old 10-28-2022, 10:23 AM
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I didn’t say anything 😊
Old 10-28-2022, 11:34 AM
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X39? lol can’t wait to hear about it.
Old 10-30-2022, 12:19 PM
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Has anyone made a cover over the nose wheel?
Had the whole turbine full of grass yesterday.
Old 10-30-2022, 01:53 PM
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Mine has a curved piece of clear canopy scrap at the rear of the opening. The wheel pushes it up a little when retracted, it stops the loose grass getting into the fuselage
Old 10-30-2022, 01:59 PM
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It seems very simple. Do you have a photo.
Thank you very much.
You don't want to take off without full power
Old 12-15-2022, 06:20 AM
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My Rebel Hot at Abingdon U.K.






Old 12-15-2022, 06:21 AM
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My Rebel Hot at Abingdon U.K.





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Old 12-17-2022, 11:51 AM
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Looking good!
Old 01-12-2023, 02:06 PM
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Hi Guys,

Nice meeting, a superb thread! Although I hold experience with both fixed (Prop & EDF) including rotary wing over many years. The majority has been electric power. However, I'm looking forward to the turbine plunge .. She'll be my first turbine. I'll be updating my transmitter too. Time to set the beloved JR12X without telemetry to the side. Although I've procured some notes on turbine plumbing. I don't know how reliable they are. More importantly, I have never built one. Hoping for a bit of guidance here and there.

I'm leaning toward the ARF Plus version with the JP Gear, CARF Thrust and Tank. I'll be running an X45 Light Version for now with a MAP UAT, no hopper and a gyro. I suppose plumbing for external hopper if ever needed may be prudent. My aim is a clean, quality build to prevent from error or flame out. After reviewing the thread, very impressed with the knowledge and high quality builds here. Nice work. Some starter questions if you guys can lend a hand..

1) What will I need in plumbing material for the X45 with the MAP UAT? Such as tubing, fittings, festo, shutoff, tie wire, etc? Is the Mini MAP 2oz okay or should I go larger?

2) Any reason I shouldn't use the clunk included with the CARF main tank?

3) I noticed some preferred to upgrade their wiring to the Powerbox Premium Maxi wire. Are you dismantling all servos and soldering new leads to the servos or are we just talking bridge wire between components and extensions?

4) What sort of connection can be used between the fuse and wing root to simplify wing assembly and disassembly?

5) With regard to choosing a new transmitter, thinking either Jeti or Core. I assume either are personal preference and are compatible with other branded gyros, power distribution boxes, brake controller, etc, but any personal recommendations or thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Raz
Old 01-12-2023, 03:47 PM
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I fly mine with a Core and love it, its much easier to program and a shorter learning curve than Jeti though both are great radios. The Core/Atom integrates to the Pioneer/Isat Gyro and all the programming is done from the radio and the telemetry is fantasic

Maxi wire just for the extensions.

Powerbox 2 for 1 connectors, 2 of them at the wing root, one for brakes/gear and one for aileron/flap

ARF plus is a good deal, for not much more than the components cost, everything comes installed.
Old 01-12-2023, 04:05 PM
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Raz it would be good to get together with an experienced modeler in you area.

They should be able to steer you in the right direction with your many questions.
Old 01-17-2023, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
I fly mine with a Core and love it, its much easier to program and a shorter learning curve than Jeti though both are great radios. The Core/Atom integrates to the Pioneer/Isat Gyro and all the programming is done from the radio and the telemetry is fantasic

Maxi wire just for the extensions.

Powerbox 2 for 1 connectors, 2 of them at the wing root, one for brakes/gear and one for aileron/flap

ARF plus is a good deal, for not much more than the components cost, everything comes installed.
Appreciate the information. I'm leaning toward the Core or Atom. I did see your other posts on Flying Giants in the 2048 vs 4096 thread. I never much like paying for technology I won't use, but I found your post on CCPM setup interesting and curious if the Core may out perform the Atom here? I fly precision and a long time heli builder and pilot. I know exactly what you're referring to. I'm also familiar with the 9CHP, too funny. I actually still use mine today, for sim only.

Also, I had seen a post on the difference between the Core and Atom, but from a video, I believe there are other differences. I'm thinking of reaching out to Power Box directly for a better publication of all features and distinctions between the two. Can seem to find much on the Power Box website, etc.?

Raz
Old 01-17-2023, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_B
Raz it would be good to get together with an experienced modeler in you area.

They should be able to steer you in the right direction with your many questions.
Hi Bob, I feel it would be more difficult trying to locate a turbine pilot that would have such answers. I of course will be earning my waiver, but as mentioned. I'm an experienced pilot. I don't feel as if I'm asking a whole lot here. Simply looking to understand what may be needed in plumbing material for this model using the Mini MAP UAT (or larger if suggested). Such as suggested fuel tubing type that will mate with all barbs, festo and shut-off properly, approximate tubing length and a quick breakdown of what I should expect in total components for the plumbing build.

If anyone could shed some light here for me, would greatly appreciate it. And whether or not there is any reason to discard the included main tank clunk as I intend to go ARF Plus.

Thanks,
Raz
Old 01-17-2023, 08:48 PM
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if any one needs a x45 pipe and mounts (tail mount for pipe not included) I have the set for sale, I believe they are from Hab hobbies, I went to a larger engine for grass field take offs.

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Old 01-18-2023, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Razmo
Appreciate the information. I'm leaning toward the Core or Atom. I did see your other posts on Flying Giants in the 2048 vs 4096 thread. I never much like paying for technology I won't use, but I found your post on CCPM setup interesting and curious if the Core may out perform the Atom here? I fly precision and a long time heli builder and pilot. I know exactly what you're referring to. I'm also familiar with the 9CHP, too funny. I actually still use mine today, for sim only.

Also, I had seen a post on the difference between the Core and Atom, but from a video, I believe there are other differences. I'm thinking of reaching out to Power Box directly for a better publication of all features and distinctions between the two. Can seem to find much on the Power Box website, etc.?

Raz
18 channels vs 26 on the Core
As you mentioned 4096 vs 2048 resolution. I can't tell the difference in feel. (It's worth noting that 2048 is the resolution of most manufactures top end radio offerings)
12 flight modes on the Core, 9 on the Atom
Slightly slower processor but that's hardly noticeable unless you're used to flying through stuff on the Core
The Atom doesn't have the built in GPS sensor.
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Hi,
For a 45N turbine, the 2oz MAP is good, but I'd use a 4ounce one instead. Tubing for the 45N is 4mm clear poly - the Xicoy X45 comes with enough.
Barbed or Festo fittings work. I use a mix - pump, vent & fill connections are barbed and the turbine is connected with Festo push on connector with a Festo push on valve.
The MAP header tanks are equipped with a good fuel filter, so I do not use an inline one (one less thing to leak).
Safety wire all barbed connections and cut the poly tubing square for push on fittings.
I would not use the stock tank with an X45. Get CM Jets to make you a lightweight 1.2l tank. Carlos can put the fitting you want. A brass clunk will be okay.
The HAB pipe and turbine install kit is the lightest and best set up for a 45N turbine.

The little Rebel is a nice flyer but will not slow down like its bigger brothers - the wing loading is higher and so is the stall speed. If you are careful you can build it light. Mine was more than 6.5kg dry but I think Bob B's version was a kilo lighter. I started with an X45 until I saw one with an 100N in it. Then I swapped to an X90. More fun, for sure.

For the radio system - I like Jeti, it has been proven robust and there are tons of support and videos and many 3rd party sensors. It's all I have used for the past six+ years. Watch a couple of Harry C's videos on Youtube and you can decide if you like they way it is programmed.

Good luck!


Originally Posted by Razmo
Hi Guys,

Nice meeting, a superb thread! Although I hold experience with both fixed (Prop & EDF) including rotary wing over many years. The majority has been electric power. However, I'm looking forward to the turbine plunge .. She'll be my first turbine. I'll be updating my transmitter too. Time to set the beloved JR12X without telemetry to the side. Although I've procured some notes on turbine plumbing. I don't know how reliable they are. More importantly, I have never built one. Hoping for a bit of guidance here and there.

I'm leaning toward the ARF Plus version with the JP Gear, CARF Thrust and Tank. I'll be running an X45 Light Version for now with a MAP UAT, no hopper and a gyro. I suppose plumbing for external hopper if ever needed may be prudent. My aim is a clean, quality build to prevent from error or flame out. After reviewing the thread, very impressed with the knowledge and high quality builds here. Nice work. Some starter questions if you guys can lend a hand..

1) What will I need in plumbing material for the X45 with the MAP UAT? Such as tubing, fittings, festo, shutoff, tie wire, etc? Is the Mini MAP 2oz okay or should I go larger?

2) Any reason I shouldn't use the clunk included with the CARF main tank?

3) I noticed some preferred to upgrade their wiring to the Powerbox Premium Maxi wire. Are you dismantling all servos and soldering new leads to the servos or are we just talking bridge wire between components and extensions?

4) What sort of connection can be used between the fuse and wing root to simplify wing assembly and disassembly?

5) With regard to choosing a new transmitter, thinking either Jeti or Core. I assume either are personal preference and are compatible with other branded gyros, power distribution boxes, brake controller, etc, but any personal recommendations or thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Raz

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Old 02-04-2023, 06:41 AM
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Dear fellow HOT builders,

to those of you who have decided to install Electron gear, may i kindly ask you to post photos of how you did the mounting of legs, main and nose.
I am just about to install it in mine and wonder how you sorted out some small details.
Thanks!

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