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Old 09-09-2019, 02:27 AM
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As the title says I am new to turbine jets. I have a couple of questions about the fuel. I am currently using a stainless steel fuel can and running kerosene with the king Tech turbine oil. Here are my questions

1. When I had my turbine on the test stand on a hot summer day I noticed that the fuel sitting in the fiberglass tank got much much darker after being in the Sun for a couple of hours. It went from almost clear to a light tea color. IS this normal? Or if something weird going on?.

2. I mixed my fuel with the kingtech oil but because I had some issues with the turbine and am waiting for my jet to arrive, the mixed fuel has been sitting in the stainless steel can for a few months now. How long can the fuel sit and still be usable. I have several gallons left and would hate the thought of disposing of it if it is still good.

3. How could I dispose of it?

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Old 09-09-2019, 05:07 AM
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3. How could I dispose of it?

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Find a diesel car, open filler cap, input fuel and your problem is gone

As of running old fuel... is there a problem? if not just go.... turbines do run on virtually anything... diesel, kerosene, jet-A, lamp oil etc etc...
Old 09-09-2019, 06:17 AM
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Yes the fuel will turn darker if left in the sun. It does not affect it though and is fine.

The kingtech oil is fantastic since it does not separate in the fuel. It stays suspended so it should be fine in storage for a long time as long as water in kept out.
Old 09-09-2019, 07:00 AM
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Yes the fuel will turn darker if left in the sun. It does not affect it though and is fine.

The kingtech oil is fantastic since it does not separate in the fuel. It stays suspended so it should be fine in storage for a long time as long as water in kept out.
The darkness thing was bothering me a bit so thank you for the clarification. So even though it gets darker, the oil is not breaking down or anything? Also, how long is a long time for the fuel to sit in the can?
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:54 PM
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If you still have it next year, it will still be usable. Just take care to prevent moisture absorption.
Old 09-10-2019, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Agrav8ed View Post
The darkness thing was bothering me a bit so thank you for the clarification. So even though it gets darker, the oil is not breaking down or anything? Also, how long is a long time for the fuel to sit in the can?
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if its moisture free then a few years would be fine.
Old 09-10-2019, 04:25 AM
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I have the hsd stainless steel fuel can. How do I prevent moisture? I would assume that the can is sealed.
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Old 09-10-2019, 06:41 AM
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When I had some medical issues and did not fly my jet much, 5 year old kero ran just fine. (it took me that long to use up my 5 gal jug ) Just be sure it is sealed and out of the light and in a place that does not have big temperature swings. Temp swings promote condensation that will lead to water in the fuel. I also use BioBor in all my jet fuel to prevent algae growth.
Your stainless can should be good at sealing, and really good at keeping the light out. Never assume, check to see if the cap is vented or there is any other type of vent.
Old 09-15-2019, 11:41 AM
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So I was going over my can and there did appear to be a small air leak at the rear seal where the festo was inserted. I removed the fitting, doped the thread and replaced it and the can is now airtight. My question is this, I filled the can the beginning of the summer. This bad seal has been there since the beginning. Would it have allowed enough moisture to get in the can that the fuel would be bad or would it be good to run still?
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My thoughts would be that it was possibly fortunate that there was a small leak, it may have prevented damage to your storage can. If you have been storing where there are large differences in temperature the can swell and contract if there is no vent ( assuming the storage container was not completely full). Also if that was the only thing venting air into your storage, it is unlikely you moved more than a cubic inch or so of air back and forth, so not much water vapor in there.
If in doubt, filter the fuel into a new container then back through a Mr Filter to remove any remaining water, add fungicide.
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Old 09-15-2019, 04:31 PM
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My thoughts would be that it was possibly fortunate that there was a small leak, it may have prevented damage to your storage can. If you have been storing where there are large differences in temperature the can swell and contract if there is no vent ( assuming the storage container was not completely full). Also if that was the only thing venting air into your storage, it is unlikely you moved more than a cubic inch or so of air back and forth, so not much water vapor in there.
If in doubt, filter the fuel into a new container then back through a Mr Filter to remove any remaining water, add fungicide.
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It is a 6.6 gallon can and it has about 4 gallons of fuel in it. It lives in my garage so the only changes in temp would be what is occurring outside. You said that having a small leak may be fortunate, how so? I thought the cans were supposed to be air tight to prevent any moisture wicking?
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I keep my 5 gallon can in the garage, in summer it can get to 100 in there, I keep my can plug, it expands all it wants, not a problem in years.

I was using Kero for over a decade then, I switched to Diesel, I experienced algae growth for the first time, the filter on my Boomerang XL got plug, 3 dead stick landings, found the problem, cleaned the filter with plastic safe cleaner ( got it from HD, thanks Dan Avila ) now I'm back using Kero, under $20 for 5 gallons at my local Ramos oil co. It is dayed red, that helps to see where the level is in the tanks, also less build up inside the engine because the Kero has less oil, use algiecide if you are using Diesel.

Never saw algie build up when I was using the turbine oils, two weeks ago I inspected my Kintech oil plastic can, it had some black stuff at the bottom, algie? I added a bit is algiecide ( thanks Raffy ) today, a week later I looked at the oil can, clear as a whistle, I love the Kintech oil and will keep using it till forever

Since I'm now using Kero from an oil company not the HD cans, I will keep using the algiecide just to be safe.

My two cents of what I have experienced with my fuel recently.

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When there is a significant volume of air above a liquid, the air will expand or contract significantly more than the liquid, which has no significant expansion as far as this kind of storage. A vent or small leak prevents this. You indicate you are about 2/3 full. I would expect there to be some venting of the air as temps increase, unless stored inside of course. I keep my fuel in the garage which can experience a 20 deg change in a day. I have seen my tightly closed cans swell when capped too tightly. They are polypropylene so flex fairly well, but metal container rolled joints don't like changes in internal pressure. Not a problem if the storage is kept mostly full (ie 90% +).
My biggest concern is leakage if the can were to be turned over.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:19 PM
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My thoughts would be that it was possibly fortunate that there was a small leak, it may have prevented damage to your storage can. If you have been storing where there are large differences in temperature the can swell and contract if there is no vent ( assuming the storage container was not completely full). Also if that was the only thing venting air into your storage, it is unlikely you moved more than a cubic inch or so of air back and forth, so not much water vapor in there.
If in doubt, filter the fuel into a new container then back through a Mr Filter to remove any remaining water, add fungicide.
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When there is a significant volume of air above a liquid, the air will expand or contract significantly more than the liquid, which has no significant expansion as far as this kind of storage. A vent or small leak prevents this. You indicate you are about 2/3 full. I would expect there to be some venting of the air as temps increase, unless stored inside of course. I keep my fuel in the garage which can experience a 20 deg change in a day. I have seen my tightly closed cans swell when capped too tightly. They are polypropylene so flex fairly well, but metal container rolled joints don't like changes in internal pressure. Not a problem if the storage is kept mostly full (ie 90% +).
My biggest concern is leakage if the can were to be turned over.
John
Wouldn't a small air leak or vent allow moisture to get into the fuel? I thought that the goal was to keep as much moisture out of the fuel as possible.
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For that reason I stopped plugging the vents on my jets.
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For that reason I no longer plug the vents on my jets.

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