Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
12-23-2004, 12:08 PM
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Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Sorry if this is in the wrong forum...but I wanted to know if it was ok to charge my new Duralite 4400mah ECU and RX packs with a Schulze ( Chamelion) Charger?? Do I use the Li-Ion setting? Even though the duralites have 4 cells(redundant) I'm assuming I charge at the 2 cell setting..
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12-23-2004, 12:27 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
ORIGINAL: JohnMac
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
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No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
Above is INCORRECT!!!!
S.A.L.
Yes, you use the LiIon setting and set it to 2 cells not 4. If not in a rush to get the pack charged set it at the 1 amp rate with a max charge rate of 4 amps. I never charge at more than 1C or 2 amps. The Chamelion software is Li ready no need to upgrade.
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12-23-2004, 02:01 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Hmmm! Todd I think we should check our terms of reference. I am running a Chameleon 330-d, software version 8. Yes it had a LiOn setting but Schultze offered an upgrade. I purchased the Eprom to upgrade it to this version. The charge regime is much more flexible and safer for the batteries according to Schultze. Now if your charger already is at this software level then we are not in disagreement.
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Above is INCORRECT!!!!
S.A.L.
Yes, you use the LiIon setting and set it to 2 cells not 4. If not in a rush to get the pack charged set it at the 1 amp rate with a max charge rate of 4 amps. I never charge at more than 1C or 2 amps. The Chamelion software is Li ready no need to upgrade.
Todd
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No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
Above is INCORRECT!!!!
S.A.L.
Yes, you use the LiIon setting and set it to 2 cells not 4. If not in a rush to get the pack charged set it at the 1 amp rate with a max charge rate of 4 amps. I never charge at more than 1C or 2 amps. The Chamelion software is Li ready no need to upgrade.
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12-23-2004, 04:45 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
I did a bit of research regarding the Chameleon, I believe you are right about the software John! However, I dont think the Chameleon was sold here in the US before the 330-d revision. Have to check what version mine is as it was one of the early versions in the US. Regardless, need to use the LiIon setting.
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
No matter what version of the charger that you use, it must be set to Li-Ion NOT Li-Po, Duralites are Lithum- Ion's. If you read carefully on the Duralite pkg, it states that you may use any charger capable of Li-Ion cells.
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
What about the Great Planes ElectriFly Triton DC Comp Peak Charger ?
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12-23-2004, 11:28 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
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No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
I would also recommend you upgrade to software v8.05 if you don't have it already. 8.0 to 8.04 had some issues with the Lithium battery programming and could cause problems (read fire). The upgrade to 8.05 from any 8.0x version is free.
12-24-2004, 02:22 AM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Thanks Guys..
I have the newer version Schulze..I will do what Todd said because he sold me the batts
..And of he is backed up by Doug C ..well then, that settles it..
Thanks again.
Anton
Now, If I can only learn how to set up that 1C charge rate with a 4 amp max...
I have the newer version Schulze..I will do what Todd said because he sold me the batts
..And of he is backed up by Doug C ..well then, that settles it..Thanks again.
Anton
Now, If I can only learn how to set up that 1C charge rate with a 4 amp max...
12-24-2004, 02:55 AM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Doug,
I understand that the chemistry in Lion and Lipo batteries is the same, it is just the case that is the significant difference, isn't it? I certainly had issues with the earlier software versions (7.1) and ruined a couple of Lion batteries. Has the Lion program also been upgraded? (probably since the Schulze web site suggests that the two programs are the same!) The advice here was first to upgrade and then to stick to the LiIPo setting for both battery types. However, I defer to your knowledge of Duralites because I have never used this brand. In any case this is an interesting debate as jet flyers use more of these batteries and the fact that there is still a lot of learning to do for us all.
Merry Christmas,
John.
I understand that the chemistry in Lion and Lipo batteries is the same, it is just the case that is the significant difference, isn't it? I certainly had issues with the earlier software versions (7.1) and ruined a couple of Lion batteries. Has the Lion program also been upgraded? (probably since the Schulze web site suggests that the two programs are the same!) The advice here was first to upgrade and then to stick to the LiIPo setting for both battery types. However, I defer to your knowledge of Duralites because I have never used this brand. In any case this is an interesting debate as jet flyers use more of these batteries and the fact that there is still a lot of learning to do for us all.
Merry Christmas,
John.
ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
Absolutely incorrect. Duralite Plus batteries are Li-Ion. For the 4400 packs set it to 2 cells and charge at 1C.
I would also recommend you upgrade to software v8.05 if you don't have it already. 8.0 to 8.04 had some issues with the Lithium battery programming and could cause problems (read fire). The upgrade to 8.05 from any 8.0x version is free.
ORIGINAL: JohnMac
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
No, You need to use the LiPo setting. If there is no such setting you need to upgrade your charger. Get onto the Schultze website, check which software version you have and then e-mail them. I had to get a new chip for mine. Took 10 minutes to change.
Regards,
John.
I would also recommend you upgrade to software v8.05 if you don't have it already. 8.0 to 8.04 had some issues with the Lithium battery programming and could cause problems (read fire). The upgrade to 8.05 from any 8.0x version is free.
12-24-2004, 10:53 AM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Here's a link to the update info:
http://rc-direct.com/sch_soft_update.htm
I've been using my Schulze to charge my transmitter pack for about a year now (Duralite Plus 1300mah 10X pack) with this new software version with zero problems.
Flyboy, to set your charger for 1C, you just press the + key until you see 4 amp charge rate (assuming you're charging 4400mah batteries). 1C is the max charge rate, but if I don't have to charge that fast, I don't. I generally charge at about 1/4C to 1/2C if I don't need them right away.
http://rc-direct.com/sch_soft_update.htm
I've been using my Schulze to charge my transmitter pack for about a year now (Duralite Plus 1300mah 10X pack) with this new software version with zero problems.
Flyboy, to set your charger for 1C, you just press the + key until you see 4 amp charge rate (assuming you're charging 4400mah batteries). 1C is the max charge rate, but if I don't have to charge that fast, I don't. I generally charge at about 1/4C to 1/2C if I don't need them right away.
12-24-2004, 12:00 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Doug,
I have had my charger for nearly 3 years. To do the upgrade I needed to get a new Eprom, but later versions just need a software download. I am runnining V8.6 now. Thanks for the link to the American site. Here is a link to THE Schultze site. [link=http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de/index_uk.htm]Shultze Electronic[/link]
When you read both back to back, you can see how a little misunderstanding can creep in.
Regards,
John.
I have had my charger for nearly 3 years. To do the upgrade I needed to get a new Eprom, but later versions just need a software download. I am runnining V8.6 now. Thanks for the link to the American site. Here is a link to THE Schultze site. [link=http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de/index_uk.htm]Shultze Electronic[/link]
When you read both back to back, you can see how a little misunderstanding can creep in.
Regards,
John.
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Hey Doug, I tried this on a new set of Duralites tonight and the charger wouldn't put anything into the batteries. I suspect it was because I was trying to charge them through the "safe" circuitry rather than directly into the pack through the Jetcat Plug, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Are the internals the same as the Graupner Ultra Duo Plus II? I have version 6.42 and would like to know if it could be upgraded?
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
Craig,
My 4 year old Graupner MC Duo software 6.0 did not support Lipos, Since it needs hardware to do such, I had business in Munich Gemany so I sent it to them and ended up picking it up over in Gemrany for a $60 Euro cost. This happened last summer so I am now at Version 8.06
The use of the charger is considerably differant than V6 software so read the manual as you will have to relearn how to use it.
PM if you need help...............
My 4 year old Graupner MC Duo software 6.0 did not support Lipos, Since it needs hardware to do such, I had business in Munich Gemany so I sent it to them and ended up picking it up over in Gemrany for a $60 Euro cost. This happened last summer so I am now at Version 8.06
The use of the charger is considerably differant than V6 software so read the manual as you will have to relearn how to use it.
PM if you need help...............
03-12-2005, 11:53 PM
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
ALL of the above is INCORRECT. You MUST charge Duralites with THEIR charger, like or not, you can't use a 'better' charger......
If you use anything other than the duralite charger you RISK (could take multiple times)damaging the safe-circuitry due to the way these higher end units charge. If this happens you will be unable to charge the pack regardless of which charger you use (circuit will prematurely terminate the charge everytime, even with their own chargers).
If you use anything other than the duralite charger you RISK (could take multiple times)damaging the safe-circuitry due to the way these higher end units charge. If this happens you will be unable to charge the pack regardless of which charger you use (circuit will prematurely terminate the charge everytime, even with their own chargers).
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RE: Charging Duralites on a Schulze charger?
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ALL of the above is INCORRECT. You MUST charge Duralites with THEIR charger, like or not, you can't use a 'better' charger......
ALL of the above is INCORRECT. You MUST charge Duralites with THEIR charger, like or not, you can't use a 'better' charger......
As long as the charger follow the charge parameters required for your Duralite pack you are okay. Not exceeding these is what's important.
Haldor