SOME MIGHT REMEMBER THIS
11-29-2007, 09:08 AM
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What about those towers and stuff in the background? If this were full scale, that wind vane on top of one of those towers would be about 20' long. Some of those boxes that are up off the ground on poles would be 20' on an edge. The scale of those look off too...
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11-29-2007, 11:42 AM
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RE: SOME MIGHT REMEMBER THIS
Bob, that is another good point.
I'm withdrawing my Photoshop suggestion, especially since WhoDa so eloquently refuted that. :-)
Let's see: It could be a real MIG at an airshow in Kansas doing a loop and dragging his tail on the ground (on the edge between life and death), or it could be an RC model with flaps down coming in for a landing and flaring before it touches down.
Which is more likely?
I'm withdrawing my Photoshop suggestion, especially since WhoDa so eloquently refuted that. :-)
Let's see: It could be a real MIG at an airshow in Kansas doing a loop and dragging his tail on the ground (on the edge between life and death), or it could be an RC model with flaps down coming in for a landing and flaring before it touches down.
Which is more likely?
11-29-2007, 12:04 PM
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The perspective and foreground/background does look a bit off and at full power there should be a hurricane of debris blowing-But that aint no model, pretty sure it is a full scale-take a good look at the airplane. No control horns or anything of that ilk visible. If there were a model of that quality around I probably would have seen it. s
11-29-2007, 03:11 PM
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Oh God I love this,,,,,,,,,,,,, Fake, not fake , real, not real,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could be wrong, I might be right, I am not a NTSB reporter or a Lawyer,,,,,,,,,,,, Cool Picture thou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
11-29-2007, 03:40 PM
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Thirty seconds on Google finds several anecdotal references but no hard fact references:
http://www.wwi-models.org/mail-archi...hive.2000/2118 (almost at the bottom, do a word search for mig)
http://www.lawnforums.com/showthread.php?p=25032 (see post #5)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...ad.php?t=10002 (post #2)
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http://www.wwi-models.org/mail-archi...hive.2000/2118 (almost at the bottom, do a word search for mig)
http://www.lawnforums.com/showthread.php?p=25032 (see post #5)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...ad.php?t=10002 (post #2)
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12-02-2007, 04:10 PM
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The captions seem to me to be ficticious. I believe the MIG-15 was a RC MODEL, not a real MIG-15. Everything seems to be out of scale to be a real MIG.[>:]
The pilot would have instinctively been in AFTERBURNER at this point, or at least full throttle. Where is the dust and dirt that would be blown up behind the tailpipe? Why would a MIG be operating from a dirt strip, not a real runway?
Comments, Gentlemen?
The pilot would have instinctively been in AFTERBURNER at this point, or at least full throttle. Where is the dust and dirt that would be blown up behind the tailpipe? Why would a MIG be operating from a dirt strip, not a real runway?
Comments, Gentlemen?
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12-02-2007, 08:20 PM
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RE: SOME MIGHT REMEMBER THIS
I checked the "N" number, and I got this:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...06X01010&key=1
I'm confused now.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...06X01010&key=1
I'm confused now.
12-02-2007, 09:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: GSR
Perhaps there is a whip antenna shaped scratch on your monitor Dave
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Perhaps there is a whip antenna shaped scratch on your monitor Dave
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RE: SOME MIGHT REMEMBER THIS
I know it's been a year since there were posts to this forum, and it's interesting reading the comments. I was the one who originally posted this picture on line - I have the original photograph hanging in my office, given to me by Kelly, the person who took the picture. This all happened long before photoshop and the "make history say anything you want" mentality.
I can tell you it is authentic and I remember the day it happened. I was a supervisor at the Fort Smith, Arkansas Control Tower - Kelly was an FAA technician in Fayetteville who had gone to the Harrison Air Show that day. We met him a week or so later and he was showing us these incredible pictures he had taken at the air show. He had several pictures of the ditch left in the grass. But this particular photograph was a once-in-a-lifetime event.
Reading the posts, and follow-up, I was glad to finally find the tail number on this airplane and the history of Doug Shultz who was piloting.
The NTSB report from Oregon occured in 1994 - four years after this tail strike. It was, and continues to be, one of the most fascinating photographs I have ever seen.
I can tell you it is authentic and I remember the day it happened. I was a supervisor at the Fort Smith, Arkansas Control Tower - Kelly was an FAA technician in Fayetteville who had gone to the Harrison Air Show that day. We met him a week or so later and he was showing us these incredible pictures he had taken at the air show. He had several pictures of the ditch left in the grass. But this particular photograph was a once-in-a-lifetime event.
Reading the posts, and follow-up, I was glad to finally find the tail number on this airplane and the history of Doug Shultz who was piloting.
The NTSB report from Oregon occured in 1994 - four years after this tail strike. It was, and continues to be, one of the most fascinating photographs I have ever seen.
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That is interesting, Gene. I've never seen a video clip of the incident, although I would imagine someone would have had a video camera rolling. I'll have to do a little more digging on that.
I recall the conversation with Kelly. He said that he had no frame of reference as he was following the Mig through his viewfinder, so he wasn't startled at all. But those around him thought the plane was going to be a fireball.
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I recall the conversation with Kelly. He said that he had no frame of reference as he was following the Mig through his viewfinder, so he wasn't startled at all. But those around him thought the plane was going to be a fireball.
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Well, I can't say for sure if the picture is real or not. BUT I remember actually seeing the MIG hit the ground. I am from Harrison and went to every air show they had. Watching the MIG hit the ground was incredibly surreal. I thought for sure I was watching the last moments of this plane in flight.It looks to me that this is a picture of the actual event.
I know that the image of it happening will always be ingrained in my memory!
I know that the image of it happening will always be ingrained in my memory!
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RE: SOME MIGHT REMEMBER THIS
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan
Contributor says : '' The tail strike occurred during at a 1990 airshow in Harrison, Arkansas. Kelly, who was a technician for the FAA and somewhat of a camera buff, was tracking this guy flying a MiG-15 with his camera.
The pilot had just completed a loop and misjudged his pull-out. Everyone
considering themselves as potential victims, took-off running in all directions.
But Kelly had a non-threatening position with strong motivation to take the
picture. So just as the MiG scraped the ground, Kelly captured this rare image.
Had it been circulated at the time, this clear, once in a lifetime photograph
might have earned an award.
Oh, by the way, the guy made a wide circle, lowered his landing gear, touched down then taxied in showing very minor damage.''
Contributor says : '' The tail strike occurred during at a 1990 airshow in Harrison, Arkansas. Kelly, who was a technician for the FAA and somewhat of a camera buff, was tracking this guy flying a MiG-15 with his camera.
The pilot had just completed a loop and misjudged his pull-out. Everyone
considering themselves as potential victims, took-off running in all directions.
But Kelly had a non-threatening position with strong motivation to take the
picture. So just as the MiG scraped the ground, Kelly captured this rare image.
Had it been circulated at the time, this clear, once in a lifetime photograph
might have earned an award.
Oh, by the way, the guy made a wide circle, lowered his landing gear, touched down then taxied in showing very minor damage.''
The pilot of the Mig was a fellow by the name of Doug Schultz, a very accomplished pilot.
He got killed flying a Mig 21, he was doing supersonic intersepts for the Canadian Navy of the west cost of Canada when the center external fuel tank imploded, the tanks were not to be used for supersonic flight.
Doug was a good friend of one of my flying buddys, met him once at an air show.
Regards Chuck
