Project MFD..............
03-04-2009 | 08:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: belaIn my experiments, Ive found it near impossible to get pure black on transparencies so light blows through in not only the symbology, but through th black to a lesser extent, decreasing the contrast and lessening the overall effect. Im thinking that by doing photo etch panels, you kill 2 birds with one stone, first, you etch clean symbology as opposed to scratching marks to approximate symbology, and second, absolutely zero light will pass through metal except in those etched areas, thereby increasing contrast. on closer examination, I think perhaps Ice is possibly going for a different objective maybe. He is simulating the soft green glow. while the purpose of the P.E. plates will be to simulate projection. When I etch my raptor sheet Ill do up a couple f-16 plates if you guys want to experiment with them.
As my F-16 is 1/8 scale and I live ouyside the US, if you have success (I am sure you are going to) just post your method with pictures to do the same in my F-16. Of course if you want to do a 1/8 scale experiment, it will be welcome
03-06-2009 | 01:56 AM
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Come on guys! dont let this thread die. Wheres the brainstorming? Im hoping to see everyone putting forth some of the most over the top feature wishes and then with our collective thought, making them doable...... and not so much making a "How to thread". I personally spark on other's creativity in a big way,and Im always fascinated with the possibility of advancing the ball up the field.
I just ordered 5 of the coby 151 to experiment with. thanx for that amazon.com link.
To ICE... when you removed the case of the unit, did it fit flush up against the rear of your f-16 panel?
To Guillermo...Just in case 8th scale on the f-16 is too small to pull off the full animation trick, have you looked into El panels? they have very even lighting and make even the crappiest transparency look really good. they are cheap and can be cut into the size you need.
they even can be programmed to simulate a moving/ flashing curser or a flashing standby screen.
I just ordered 5 of the coby 151 to experiment with. thanx for that amazon.com link.
To ICE... when you removed the case of the unit, did it fit flush up against the rear of your f-16 panel?
To Guillermo...Just in case 8th scale on the f-16 is too small to pull off the full animation trick, have you looked into El panels? they have very even lighting and make even the crappiest transparency look really good. they are cheap and can be cut into the size you need.
they even can be programmed to simulate a moving/ flashing curser or a flashing standby screen.
03-06-2009 | 02:49 AM
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Bela, it won't die I can assure you. Currently a friend has had the 2.5" in pieces and is working on the connections to arrange independant battery power supply, once this is done he is also looking to add a small circuit to automatically power up on battery connection. The unit currently requires you to press a button on the side for a couple of seconds to boot it up, this will allow a one action start up.
Once we have the connections sorted the cockpit facial is going to be redesigned to accommodate the three screens and various other panels etc, then the 1.5" unit is going into the HUD set-up....... all will be posted!
marcs.
Once we have the connections sorted the cockpit facial is going to be redesigned to accommodate the three screens and various other panels etc, then the 1.5" unit is going into the HUD set-up....... all will be posted!
marcs.
03-06-2009 | 03:18 AM
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Bela -
when I removed the case the screen is perhaps 1/10mm away from being flush - if neccessary, you can even use a
knife and trim away that, it's just a thin plastic frame that can easily be removed.
As for starting up the units, two thin cables and a tiny push (impulse) switch is all you need, this will both start the unit
and (on the next push) start the autoshow feature.
I have found that the batteries on the Coby units are weak, so I will replace them with one slightly larger battery to
power both units.
Tor
when I removed the case the screen is perhaps 1/10mm away from being flush - if neccessary, you can even use a
knife and trim away that, it's just a thin plastic frame that can easily be removed.
As for starting up the units, two thin cables and a tiny push (impulse) switch is all you need, this will both start the unit
and (on the next push) start the autoshow feature.
I have found that the batteries on the Coby units are weak, so I will replace them with one slightly larger battery to
power both units.
Tor
03-06-2009 | 03:47 AM
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COOL! you guys are back! Im thinking that since this lcd is so easily isolated, it makes sense to mount it remotely on the jet and take the rest of the unit and mount it in a box separate from the plane.
Maybe even make this box look like a servicing or diagnostic scale unit with a cable that connects to the jet. in reality it would simply allow you to mount your choice of battery in the box off the jet and power the lcd thru the "scale" power or servicing cable. the effect is seen only on ground anyway, no need to carry the weight of the battery and it may even provide more mounting options in a less bulky setup.
Maybe even make this box look like a servicing or diagnostic scale unit with a cable that connects to the jet. in reality it would simply allow you to mount your choice of battery in the box off the jet and power the lcd thru the "scale" power or servicing cable. the effect is seen only on ground anyway, no need to carry the weight of the battery and it may even provide more mounting options in a less bulky setup.
03-06-2009 | 04:57 AM
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I am certainly supplying all the 4 panels with a dedicated 2s lipo pack which will probably need regulating but need to check this through first, units seem to run from 3.5v (Tor can you confirm the voltage?)
The impulse switch is the only function other than swithing on power that needs to be done to run the screens, my electrical guru Rich is looking to add a small circuit to do this automatically when the power is turned on - that way one power switch fires up all units...
marcs
The impulse switch is the only function other than swithing on power that needs to be done to run the screens, my electrical guru Rich is looking to add a small circuit to do this automatically when the power is turned on - that way one power switch fires up all units...
marcs
03-06-2009 | 08:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: bela
Come on guys! dont let this thread die. Wheres the brainstorming? Im hoping to see everyone putting forth some of the most over the top feature wishes and then with our collective thought, making them doable...... and not so much making a "How to thread". I personally spark on other's creativity in a big way,and Im always fascinated with the possibility of advancing the ball up the field.
I just ordered 5 of the coby 151 to experiment with. thanx for that amazon.com link.
To ICE... when you removed the case of the unit, did it fit flush up against the rear of your f-16 panel?
To Guillermo...Just in case 8th scale on the f-16 is too small to pull off the full animation trick, have you looked into El panels? they have very even lighting and make even the crappiest transparency look really good. they are cheap and can be cut into the size you need.
they even can be programmed to simulate a moving/ flashing curser or a flashing standby screen.
Come on guys! dont let this thread die. Wheres the brainstorming? Im hoping to see everyone putting forth some of the most over the top feature wishes and then with our collective thought, making them doable...... and not so much making a "How to thread". I personally spark on other's creativity in a big way,and Im always fascinated with the possibility of advancing the ball up the field.
I just ordered 5 of the coby 151 to experiment with. thanx for that amazon.com link.
To ICE... when you removed the case of the unit, did it fit flush up against the rear of your f-16 panel?
To Guillermo...Just in case 8th scale on the f-16 is too small to pull off the full animation trick, have you looked into El panels? they have very even lighting and make even the crappiest transparency look really good. they are cheap and can be cut into the size you need.
they even can be programmed to simulate a moving/ flashing curser or a flashing standby screen.
03-16-2009 | 10:16 AM
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Hey guys, watch this:
http://www.eagletreesystems.com/osd/osd-pro.htm
I think that with a small LCD screen with enough luminance under the HUD, reversing the image and with no video input, just information from the Eagle Tree OSD Pro projected on that LCD screen, we can get the real HUD info displayed in the HUD plastic.
What do you think?
http://www.eagletreesystems.com/osd/osd-pro.htm
I think that with a small LCD screen with enough luminance under the HUD, reversing the image and with no video input, just information from the Eagle Tree OSD Pro projected on that LCD screen, we can get the real HUD info displayed in the HUD plastic.
What do you think?
03-16-2009 | 11:30 AM
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That would be very cool!!! Although some people say that you can't actually see these screens when
you are airborne, it's just knowing that they are there and working!!
you are airborne, it's just knowing that they are there and working!!
03-16-2009 | 11:44 AM
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Acccording to Eagle Tree the purpose of these screens is that you can see them while airborne.
Eagle Tree, can you clarify please?
Eagle Tree, can you clarify please?
03-16-2009 | 11:54 AM
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To accomplish that, you have to have a wireless video camera in the plane and watch the
video on a screen on the ground. With the Eagle Tree unit connected you will then have
real-time info on the screen on the ground - on top of the actual video transmission from
the camera.
Even if you don't want to transmit a picture to the ground, you would have to have a tiny
camera (with a piece of black tape over the lens) or a video signal generator to generate
a video signal, then you would see the Eagle Tree information on any screen connected,
for instance the small LCD screen under the HUD. Now you would see only the info and no picture.
Tor
video on a screen on the ground. With the Eagle Tree unit connected you will then have
real-time info on the screen on the ground - on top of the actual video transmission from
the camera.
Even if you don't want to transmit a picture to the ground, you would have to have a tiny
camera (with a piece of black tape over the lens) or a video signal generator to generate
a video signal, then you would see the Eagle Tree information on any screen connected,
for instance the small LCD screen under the HUD. Now you would see only the info and no picture.
Tor
03-16-2009 | 02:16 PM
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Absolutely right.
As I have the Eagle Tree Telemetry already installed with GPS, I only need the tiny video camera and besides the tiny LCD screen under the HUD, and the screen on the ground, I am planning to get this:
http://www.getinthecockpit.com/bundle3.html
Now I can have a real HUD in my eyes and flight the jet as a pilot inside.
I think that the video signal generator to get only the Eagle Tree information projected in the HUD is a minor issue that any expert in electronics can handle.
Too much ideas for flying as the real Jet Ahh?
Life is too short to acomplish all of them...
As I have the Eagle Tree Telemetry already installed with GPS, I only need the tiny video camera and besides the tiny LCD screen under the HUD, and the screen on the ground, I am planning to get this:
http://www.getinthecockpit.com/bundle3.html
Now I can have a real HUD in my eyes and flight the jet as a pilot inside.
I think that the video signal generator to get only the Eagle Tree information projected in the HUD is a minor issue that any expert in electronics can handle.
Too much ideas for flying as the real Jet Ahh?
Life is too short to acomplish all of them...
03-16-2009 | 03:49 PM
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That is terminally cool! Some might say over the top but aside from the obvious cool factor, the practical side would be not having to worry as much about plane orientation. mock dogfights and formation flying more realistic looking, possibilities would be endless I think.
Im wondering how much the visor setup takes away from normal line of sight flying?
Im wondering how much the visor setup takes away from normal line of sight flying?
03-16-2009 | 04:53 PM
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I have already use a Headplay to fly a glow fuel model and it is very exiting. I can say that it is like real thing. Like flying a flight simulator.
The only problem is about orientation. If you don't know the land or terrain topography, you can get lost unless you have a partner as copilot giving you some help in orientation.
With Jets its is more challenging because speed, but with the on screen telemetry that include distance to pilot, home arrow, radar arrow, course, etc. it is easy to keep the jet within safe range and tracking the course.
With my telemetry installed in my F-16 I have found that max distance to pilot I have flown is 1500 ft.
With all this possibilities and a camera that pan with pilot head rotation, it is easy to dog fight and fly in formation....
Lets keep the brain storm and the synergy to be some day a real jet fighter pilot but with the feet on the ground.....
The only problem is about orientation. If you don't know the land or terrain topography, you can get lost unless you have a partner as copilot giving you some help in orientation.
With Jets its is more challenging because speed, but with the on screen telemetry that include distance to pilot, home arrow, radar arrow, course, etc. it is easy to keep the jet within safe range and tracking the course.
With my telemetry installed in my F-16 I have found that max distance to pilot I have flown is 1500 ft.
With all this possibilities and a camera that pan with pilot head rotation, it is easy to dog fight and fly in formation....
Lets keep the brain storm and the synergy to be some day a real jet fighter pilot but with the feet on the ground.....
03-21-2009 | 02:43 AM
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Just started on these units last night. Stripped the cases off and loaded up some images just to make sure things were looking OK.
There are two connections required, one is the power feed the other is the momentary contact switch which fires the unit up and launches the 'slideshow'. The battery connection is simple enough but the switch connection requires very small soldering iron work, fortunately a friend has some equipment at work so he will connect these up to fly leads which can go to the switches destined to be mounted on the equipment board under the side hatch.
Took a couple of poor photos last night, more will follow as the project progresses.......
marcs
There are two connections required, one is the power feed the other is the momentary contact switch which fires the unit up and launches the 'slideshow'. The battery connection is simple enough but the switch connection requires very small soldering iron work, fortunately a friend has some equipment at work so he will connect these up to fly leads which can go to the switches destined to be mounted on the equipment board under the side hatch.
Took a couple of poor photos last night, more will follow as the project progresses.......
marcs
03-21-2009 | 10:12 AM
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ORIGINAL: marc s
Just started on these units last night. Stripped the cases off and loaded up some images just to make sure things were looking OK.
There are two connections required, one is the power feed the other is the momentary contact switch which fires the unit up and launches the 'slideshow'. The battery connection is simple enough but the switch connection requires very small soldering iron work, fortunately a friend has some equipment at work so he will connect these up to fly leads which can go to the switches destined to be mounted on the equipment board under the side hatch.
Took a couple of poor photos last night, more will follow as the project progresses.......
marcs
Just started on these units last night. Stripped the cases off and loaded up some images just to make sure things were looking OK.
There are two connections required, one is the power feed the other is the momentary contact switch which fires the unit up and launches the 'slideshow'. The battery connection is simple enough but the switch connection requires very small soldering iron work, fortunately a friend has some equipment at work so he will connect these up to fly leads which can go to the switches destined to be mounted on the equipment board under the side hatch.
Took a couple of poor photos last night, more will follow as the project progresses.......
marcs
Are those the coby key Chains?
I just received two of them and are going to start testing them.
Can you send me the pictures you upload in the units to start the slide show? Are those .jpg images?
Here are my pictures. Al have already finished with the air system set up
03-21-2009 | 05:26 PM
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Marc - I removed the batteries from my units yesterday as they were getting weak fast, and just soldered
a thin wire and a servo connector that feeds both units. Stripped an "old" LiPo 2S and use one of those to
power both units, works like a charm and will power the units for hours!
Tor
a thin wire and a servo connector that feeds both units. Stripped an "old" LiPo 2S and use one of those to
power both units, works like a charm and will power the units for hours!
Tor
03-21-2009 | 06:06 PM
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Tor,
Thats exactly what we have done, the plane has 16 lights in total on the fuselage, so a 2s lipo will power these and the cockpit light/screens, naturally the power to the screens will be regulated down to the 3.8-4.2v generated from a single lipo.
We have also wired a feed off the activation switch so that the screens can be switched on and off from the equipment panel under the hatch on the side of the plane.
I will post some pictures tomorrow on the hook ups.
I will be running a small 1.5 screen for the HUD but currently it will not allow the memory to be formatted - think there was a disc that came with it but cannot be sure - any ideas?
Cheers
Marc.
Thats exactly what we have done, the plane has 16 lights in total on the fuselage, so a 2s lipo will power these and the cockpit light/screens, naturally the power to the screens will be regulated down to the 3.8-4.2v generated from a single lipo.
We have also wired a feed off the activation switch so that the screens can be switched on and off from the equipment panel under the hatch on the side of the plane.
I will post some pictures tomorrow on the hook ups.
I will be running a small 1.5 screen for the HUD but currently it will not allow the memory to be formatted - think there was a disc that came with it but cannot be sure - any ideas?
Cheers
Marc.
