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siclick33 10-11-2011 07:43 AM

Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I see that the pre-order 'offer' for the CARF/Skygate Viper is shortly to be discontinued and wondered if anyone had any more info than what is on the website?

My number one question at this stage is 'are they going to produce winglets for it?'.

Assuming it is similar in weight/performance to the Skygate predecessor, will it go well on a Jetcat 140 or will it need a 160?

The news page says that the first model has been pulled from the new moulds. Does anyone have any sneaky pics?

Any other info that anyone has up their sleeve would be great.


Geoff White 10-11-2011 10:39 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Darren,

At JP, I had a quick chat with Wolfgang Klur as he was prepping the green VJ for a demo and asked him if the winglets are going to be produced to which he replied no. Personally I think its a shame as I think it really finishes off the model.

Geoff.

siclick33 10-11-2011 11:12 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Geoff,

One of the reps is trying to find the definitive answer about the winglets for me. By the sound of it, they won't be on the first kits but may be an option in the future. If this is true then I am trying to find out if they ill be able to be fitted retrospectively. It will be a shame if C-ARF omit these details as Skygate offered tip tanks and winglets as options. I assume that means that C-ARF have the moulds for these parts so surely it can't be too difficult for them to produce. I can't have a Viper without winglets so I'm hoping they won't want to miss out on a 2500 Euro sale (+ gear) for the sake of a 70 Euro part;)

As an aside, is the P160SX now the P180RX? I can't find the P160SX on Jetcat Germany's website any more.

Geoff White 10-11-2011 11:24 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I am sure Ali or Dave will confirm but the P160sx is being replaced by the P180rx(in much the same way the P140rx replaced the P120sx). I am told it will be Jan 2012 before we will see them in the UK.

Ali 10-11-2011 11:38 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
If C-arf don't make them, then I will. There is noway I am having a Viper without winglets. I have just been in a similar position with Paritech with their new 3.5M span Viper XL. I loved it at Jet Power, but I told them I wouldn't order one unless they promised me that winglets would be an option.... I have the man in place to make me up the moulds as soon as we can get our hands on a pair of Carf viper wings. The idea will be to make them so they slip on over the standard wingtips ( Much the same as the Tomahawk Futura Winglets)
Yes, the 180 RX is set to replace the 160 SX, and yes I have also been told January before they are on general release.
Regards Al

Geoff White 10-11-2011 11:42 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Ali, have you got any idea why they wouldn't make them? Seems a strange decision to me[:o]

Ali 10-11-2011 12:18 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I know that some years ago when I spoke with Stefan Volker, he thought the winglets caused some coupling between the rudder and roll in knife edge. A trade off that I am happy to make ( mix out ) for the aesthetic benefit.
Regards Al

rplabonte 10-11-2011 12:48 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hello Guys: I've got an e-mail off to Andreas regarding the question of the winglets. I should have a definitive answer from him in the next day or two. I'll post his response as soon as I hear back from him............Ray

siclick33 10-12-2011 06:23 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I've had a response that seems to suggest that they weren't going to produce the winglets but, as quite a few people have asked for them, then they might (but they still might not[:o]).

If anyone is thinking of buying a Viperjet and wants winglets please ask your reps to tell Andreas;) Hopefully if there is enough interest then we can persuade him:D


schroedm 10-12-2011 10:20 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Guys,

Good news!!! The winglets and tip tanks will be available! Seems the concern is over the pain of storing/handling a wing with a large wingtip but I'm sure those that want it will overcome that!.......


"We will have both the winglets and the tiptanks as separate parts. The standard wing will be the extended span tip, which can be cut off and the winglet tip installed.

Wingtips will be available, but the straight tips will have to be cut off. It can be done in the factory if it is requested in time. I strongly recommend to remind every customer of the problems which come with extra bulk and size and handling problems with the wing tips... 90% will wish after some time, they kept the straight wings."

Hope this helps! Let me know if you need any more info.

Rgds
Mark
Comp-ARF UK Rep

siclick33 10-12-2011 11:12 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 

Wingtips will be available, but the straight tips will have to be cut off.
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I'll wait and see about this but I'm not too impressed with paying 2500 Euros for a kit and then cutting the wing tips off. The winglets on the Skymaster 2m Viper are separate parts and, on mine, I made them removable with 2 bolts. They weren't permanently attached and there was no cutting of wing tips.

It seems like a step in the right direction for C-ARF to offer them, but it sounds like a bit of a Heath Robinson approach and not the nicely engineered solution that we now come to expect from them.

schroedm 10-13-2011 12:00 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 

ORIGINAL: siclick33

Wingtips will be available, but the straight tips will have to be cut off.
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Darren,

The cutting will be done in the factory if requested in time. So, if you order the winglets it will be a simple option to fit them. If you want to retro fit them then you're back to the sawing and fitting yourself.

Rgds
Mark

siclick33 10-13-2011 12:05 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Mark, do you know how much of the tip will have to be removed? What will happen to the paint schemes? Won't they look a bit odd if the tip has been cut off?



schroedm 10-13-2011 01:15 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Darren,

I believe the cut will be pretty much where the line is on the sport scheme pictures on the website.

Looking at the schemes it would seem that the black "swoop" would be unaffected and the colour on the leading edge would simply continue onto the winglet.

The whole tip style issue has only just started being discussed but I think it is probably safe to say that, ultimately, you will be able to have the winglets, they'll match the schemes, fit properly and be of normal C-ARF quality. The factory is not going to let some dirty hacked tip sellotaped on :D

Rgds,
Mark

siclick33 12-30-2011 09:22 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
The dream scheme is now showing in stock and the green sport scheme 'in transit' but still very little in the way of detail and no photos[:@]

Very odd marketing strategy:eek:

flesche 01-16-2012 08:58 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
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Maybe this is the first photo of the Viper from Carf

Bob Toilet 01-16-2012 10:37 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hi Geir
You got one all ready? Think i rekognise your workshop:-) Will it be finish to Fagernes?

Christian

flesche 01-16-2012 11:18 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Maybe if I get all parts soon, it will be ready but I have some other things on my table so we have to see.

NICLAS 01-18-2012 03:37 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hope to see the Viper at Laxå later.. ;-)
Geir where do you find the time..My day´s are only 24h :-)
/Niclas

flesche 01-18-2012 07:07 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hi Niclaes,I think it will be Karlskoga first time in Sweden because I will travel to Prowing in Germany beginning of may,its only in Sweden a day is 24h.

siclick33 01-25-2012 09:18 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Photos are starting to appear on the CARF website.

I must say that, from the pictures available so far, it does look really nice.

Neil Collins 02-18-2012 11:32 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Any more news?
Would love to see more photos or a video.
Hopefully someone will do a build thread.

snobird 02-18-2012 12:06 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Nell, look on page 3 of this threat. carf viper

zeev barnes 02-24-2012 09:23 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
HI
IS THIS MODEL CAN FLY WELL WITH KINGTECH 140
PLEASE ADVICE

Dave Wilshere 02-24-2012 11:03 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Yes, it will fly fine with 140 size turbines

Regards

Dave

zeev barnes 02-25-2012 01:31 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Thanks Dave
Do you know when it will be on stock?
i saw in CARF web site that all colors schame are with red dot (not in stock)

Dave Wilshere 02-25-2012 03:06 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
The first kits are being finished up now, many people took the deposit option offered around Xmas and they will get the first kits. May be worth you talking with your chosen rep and see what air shipment from the factory would cost.

Dave

flesche 03-29-2012 10:14 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
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Had a few flights on my Viper its one of the best jet I ever flown,another winner?

Neil Collins 03-29-2012 11:41 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 


ORIGINAL: flesche

Had a few flights on my Viper its one of the best jet I ever flown,another winner?
More photos please, please, please.

flesche 03-29-2012 11:56 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hello Neil
I have send you a PM. Geir

zeev barnes 04-17-2012 01:17 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I have ordered this VIPER from my country dealer
does someone can reccomend the best choice of ELECTRIC RETRACT for this giant

pfact 04-17-2012 04:53 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
I am planning on installing Electron ER-50's. The Electron guys recommended using the ER-50 for their extra strength. I plan to use a Lado E-door linear actuator to close the nose door.

I bought the struts, wheels, and brakes direct from Airtech Germany as my dealer couldn't get get an answer from CARF regarding purchase of the gear without the retracts.

Your other option would be to buy the CARF gear and have Down and Locked convert them to electric. I did this on another plane - its the best way to go but is a very expensive option.

Phil

zeev barnes 04-19-2012 10:17 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Hi Phil
thank you for the information
can you send the item no. of the set from airtech
can you post some pictures ?
best

pfact 04-30-2012 04:12 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
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Zeev,

Sorry it has takne me so long to get back to you - here is a link to the Airtech gear I bought: /www.airtech-germany.de/mambo/index.php?page=shop/flypage&product_id=208&category_id=cc9429d612a49c3 60eb3ea1301c0ef33&option=com_phpshop

My Viper arrived last Tuesday - picture attached. I plan to start work on it right after Joe Nall


zeev barnes 05-01-2012 06:09 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Thanks Phil
for the information
i wish the best with this VIPER
please
can you send me PM with all the prices that you have got for the retracts
thank you in advance
best

snobird 05-01-2012 07:22 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
pfact,
did you get your Viper thru Ray L. ?. I should have mine by the end of May, I hope. I guess there is no manual with the kit , so everyone building one needs to chip in on Issues. should be a fun project.

pfact 05-01-2012 07:44 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Yes - Ray arranged for the Viper for me. I just figured out a few minutes ago that there is no manual - this is a sign that CARF has not strayed far from the original Skygate concept and German ARF philosophy.

I also just got my Electron retracts - I'm not yet sure if they will fit, the depth of the retract opening is within 1mm of accommodating the retract.

I plan to start building right after Joe Nall and will be happy to post what I do. The kit looks like a lot of the work is already done by the manufacturer.

Phil


pfact 05-03-2012 10:07 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Does anyone know of a Skygate Viper build thread or does anyone know where to find the build photos from the disk that Skygate supplied with their ARF kit?

Phil

Eagle Driver 05-20-2012 04:17 PM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
IQ-Hammer offers a brand new gear for this viper ....

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/attac...2&d=1337558754

basea 05-28-2012 09:39 AM

RE: Skygate/CARF Viperjet
 
Phil

Have you discovered whether the ER50 retracts fit the Viper yet? Did you go for the nose wheel steering option or will you be using wires?


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