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RCJetBazz 11-05-2011 11:27 AM

F-14 explodes?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExU...p;feature=fvst

Anyone knows what went wrong at 6:53?

d_bodary 11-05-2011 11:42 AM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
Easy the Turbine came apart.

RCJetBazz 11-05-2011 01:38 PM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
hmmm, even if it did I wouldn't think that the whole air frame would disintegrate in an instant, do you know if there's a report to that?

ORIGINAL: d_bodary

Easy the Turbine came apart.

rhklenke 11-05-2011 03:05 PM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 

ORIGINAL: RCJetBazz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExUJhZmag&feature=fvst

Anyone knows what went wrong at 6:53?

Actually that was documented in a PBS special a number of years ago. The pilot was given permission to do his first low-level supersonic flyby for the cameras. The whole ship (and the escort ship crews) was watching. I believe they said it was a compressor stall that resulted in the engine disintegrating. Both the pilot and RIO ejected safely and were rescued. The were interviewed for the program after the accident.

I found this quote on the accident posted elsewhere:


Wasn't this incident depicted on the documentary, "Carrier- Fortress at Sea"? In that show, it was a compressor stall post Mach-1, while doing a supersonic pass abeam of the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) The pilot and RIO punched out sucessfully, abiet just a little wet.

You can see the whole video with sound here (filmed from an escort ship):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1lJRMYd8kc

Bob

invertmast 11-05-2011 08:06 PM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
Compressor stall, which the suffered from a compressor failure, which then ruptured fuel and hydraulic lines.

skyhawknut 11-05-2011 09:10 PM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 

hmmm, even if it did I wouldn't think that the whole air frame would disintegrate in an instant, do you know if there's a report to that?
Yes it would.

The turbine blades came apart - it acts like a granade. Thye tore through the fuel cells which are around the engines (as well as everywhere else) and BOOM! This was a common problem with the A model Tomcats and the early engines.

John Redman 11-06-2011 05:15 AM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
Turbine blades coming apart is not a full catastrophic engine failure. We had Pratt's blow turbine blades through the fuselage on occassion on our Vipers. Big bang and loss of thrust, return to base.

No grenade, just a hole in arcraft and a whole lot of maintenance to get the aircraft fying again.

Compressor failure is a totally different animal failure wise. Results of that is good bye everything!

highhorse 11-06-2011 10:20 AM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
That's a fine distinction for practical purposes in a forum where one stage is the norm ;-)

Perhaps one could say that yes, when blades start coming apart in the engine, it can and sometimes does look like that video.......

mtnflyer14 11-06-2011 10:38 AM

RE: F-14 explodes?
 
This was one of many catastrophic engine failures we had in the F-14 A community with the Pratt and Whitney TF-30 engine. I think someone in DoD made a drug deal early on that forced the Navy to use the TF-30 in the F-14A to keep costs down. Took a turbofan engine, put an afterburner on it and put it in a fighter - big mistake. We had lots of compressor stall problems. We had something called midcompression bypass in the TF-30, in which air was bled off the compressor section to increase stall margin, but it reduced thrust. Not good. Midcompression bypass was activated with gear down, above a certain angle of attack (can't remember the exact number) and at negative angle of attack. The video is an example of the engine throwing turbine blades into fuel tank, cutting hydraulic lines, etc., etc. The A models had a 'shield' installed around the turbine section to contain catastrophic engine failures, but it didn't always work.
Regards,
Gus


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