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ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Unbelievable prices on a large retract kit: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._X_Large_.html |
RE: Retract Game Changer
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Unbelievable prices on a large retract kit: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._X_Large_.html You go first and report back. |
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A set of those came with a esm warbird. Struts look exactly the same. My model comes in around 5kg and after a few landimgs one strut looks bent.
A lite model up to .90-1.20 size they're fine..... a 8kg jet no way. The struts don't provide much suspension they're pretty stiff. |
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If the seals are top class, the spool valve cylinders & rods are well finished, the tubing & connectors good quality they may be a good buy.
But, if it's the usual, second class, chinese product that looks great until you have to fiddle, modify, damage your model & finally hack it up to fit a set of Robarts or Springairs or other quality set of gear is it all worth it? With that being said, the high end 1000$ retract sets that we all know and love are way way way overpriced for what you get. |
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My 2 cents....
I've seen a lot of "High End" retract systems not function, or have leaky seals... so if you can get an inexpensive set... and you only need to replace O-rings, or just lube them... then it's worth it. As far as the quality of the hose... who cares. Good air line from Todd is less than a $1 ft. For Less than $100... it's worth a try. AND... I may become the Guinea pig for my scratch build project. I have a set of used Lighting wings coming, and I will measure them when there get here. If the retract will fit... I'll order a set, and let you guys know how they are. |
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Tony,
What would be really funny is if you copied the Chinese stuff and made your own. :D PaulD |
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Add this and make it hydraulic:
[link=http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054[/link] Bob |
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Looks like a good set of retracts
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ORIGINAL: rhklenke Add this and make it hydraulic: [link=http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054[/link] Bob ORIGINAL: rhklenke Add this and make it hydraulic: [link=http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14054[/link] Bob Mark my words. They are going to start selling the electronic ones for large jets including the electroinic Lado type door cylinders. That will change things too. Andy |
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You guys remember when Tru-turn couldn't make a spinner for less than $150?
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ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Unbelievable prices on a large retract kit: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._X_Large_.html Andy you must have seen the post I made in the Formost 150 thread this past Saturday...:D http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_70...page_41/tm.htm I Have actually seen these retracts (not the struts), I bought a set for a friend of mine when I was at Toledo last year. They look just as good as the expensive units, I paid $75 for the set of three at the show, he was going to install them into a Baby Boomerang, they looked plenty good enough for that type of application! ;) For the price of the set if the struts are too week, you can toss them out and still be way ahead of the game!!!;) |
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Buy cheap, buy twice (or three times)
I don't know why some people have such a hard time learning this lesson in this hobby. Constantly in search of bargain basement prices for critical pieces of equipment. Even people that have personally been bitten by this issue don't seem to learn. granted, maybe gear is not a "critical" item, but I know Todd's gear does what it is supposed to do, even when I don't on a landing. I don't mind paying higher prices for equipment that has been shown to last. Look around at jet rally's. What are people flying, what are people having problems with. Answers alot of questions for me. Chad |
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Great for a static model ;)
marcs |
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Probably made from cheesium - as tough as......well, cheese! :)
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Probably not a lot different than the stock gear that comes with most Chinese ARFs. Gives you a good idea of the margins on them.
Mike |
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ORIGINAL: SinCityJets Buy cheap, buy twice (or three times) I don't know why some people have such a hard time learning this lesson in this hobby. Constantly in search of bargain basement prices for critical pieces of equipment. Even people that have personally been bitten by this issue don't seem to learn. granted, maybe gear is not a "critical" item, but I know Todd's gear does what it is supposed to do, even when I don't on a landing. I don't mind paying higher prices for equipment that has been shown to last. Look around at jet rally's. What are people flying, what are people having problems with. Answers alot of questions for me. Chad It is very simple in my view: There are those people that feel that a high price means better quality and a cheap price means that it is Junk and of course There are those that think that a high price simply means a high mark up and that they would rather buy at the cheaper end. Neither view is right or wrong. There will however always be those who think that their view is right and all the rest are wrong Isnt it good that we have choice and can express our views. Some people in the world are not so fortunate |
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Based off the 2 whole reviews, they must be good! 5 Crowns!! WOW!!
One of the reviewers gave the "value" 4 crowns LMAO!! Scott |
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ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc Probably not a lot different than the stock gear that comes with most Chinese ARFs. Gives you a good idea of the margins on them. Mike For the right application these units are good enough for the job.... Before the flames are thrown notice I said for the right application, like the Nitro Planes stuff that some guys like to convert.... |
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just got this from Todd.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3M5jFCjNo&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube] reliable retract is very important! I always bet on the win side if i have the choice. so that I can happily enjoy the hobby. yiming |
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I just got these HK units in the mail today.
Compared to my Behotec C50 (Eurosport)and Pro-links (Elan), these HK retracts are cheap looking. They feel cheap as well. The struts are probably fine for lighter models, I would say up to 6-7 kg, depending on surface flown off, and touch down speed.... I will probably fit them in my 5kg P-40 foam warbird. BUT, I could very much be wrong, the might stand up to bigger tasks. |
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ORIGINAL: kimhey I just got these HK units in the mail today. Compared to my Behotec C50 (Eurosport)and Pro-links (Elan), these HK retracts are cheap looking. They feel cheap as well. The struts are probably fine for lighter models, I would say up to 6-7 kg, depending on surface flown off, and touch down speed.... I will probably fit them in my 5kg P-40 foam warbird. BUT, I could very much be wrong, the might stand up to bigger tasks. |
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For me personally, air systems are archaic today. I have, and am converting all I can, to electric. HK offers good products to start with. The problem is, some modelers cannot see the weak links in a good product that can be made better for very little effort and cost.
The cost difference, well your buying direct from China and bypassing all the other re-sellers. The labor, rent, fees, regulations, taxes, and anything else, is pennies next to any other place currently. Yet they are an Economic Super Power. The US is running on Chinese borrowed money. So who knows and runs capitalism better today? Which country has moved more towards a free market and which has moved more towards price/wage control? Hint: The one loaning money is not the one failing. Shame. Anyway, back to playing. Steve |
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ORIGINAL: SCALECRAFT For me personally, air systems are archaic today. I have, and am converting all I can, to electric. HK offers good products to start with. The problem is, some modelers cannot see the weak links in a good product that can be made better for very little effort and cost. The cost difference, well your buying direct from China and bypassing all the other re-sellers. The labor, rent, fees, regulations, taxes, and anything else, is pennies next to any other place currently. Yet they are an Economic Super Power. The US is running on Chinese borrowed money. So who knows and runs capitalism better today? Which country has moved more towards a free market and which has moved more towards price/wage control? Hint: The one loaning money is not the one failing. Shame. Anyway, back to playing. Steve |
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