Taiwan plane cartwheels into river after hiting bridge
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffvo0JxuIqw

Looks like the pilot was trying hard to clear the building on the left before stalling into the river. Very sad.

Sorry double post

Looking at the still photos, the left engine wasnt running.

The wing struck the yellow van on the way down. He was lucky to be walking around after that.

Yeah he's lucky. Looks like the plane had a wing stall. Why the stall, that's the big question which will probably be answered if they can get data from the plane. It's a prop jobber and this did happen in Taiwan so no telling if that plane had a functional black box on board.

Yeah it looked like a VMC demonstration. In full scale multi-engine stuff, all the various minimum and maximum air speeds are labeled as "V" speeds. VMC is minimum single engine control speed. If you drop under that speed with only one engine putting out power, the aircraft will initially pull to the dead engine and you cannot override that asymmetric thrust with the control surfaces. As the problem progresses, the aircraft will roll into the dead engine and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it then unless you are way high.

Looks like the plane had very little airspeed. Resembles how it looked back when I was first getting into r/c when I was a kid and came in for a landing way to slow and the plane was right at the stall speed only a few yards off the deck. Watching that video, looks like the plane was nice and level coming in for what appeared to be the same a very smooth controlled landing. But once that plane slowed, it stalled. Looks like it stalled roughly 50 or so feet over the bridge.

Sushi Hunter, Yes, there are functional black boxes on all commercial aircrafts in Taiwan and it's already recovered. This less than some 1200 hours old regional TP had number 1 engine flameout upon takeoff. The pilot declared mayday and tried to sustain its flight over the narrow and winding river while avoiding crashing into high rise buildings and bridges, I'd say excellent effort of the pilot for keeping it above the river with asymmetrical thrust and full fuel load that ended up stalling over the bridge. Latest stats I got was 58 onboard with 27 confirmed deaths and still 16 some missing, 15 survived.

Presumably the aircraft should be able to climb on one engine though?

With a full fuel load + passenger and cargo weight it would be difficult to climb on one engine and he would need to fly straight ahead with a very shallow climb rate
to gain airspeed and altitude only then could he turn safely and then only toward the dead engine.

Pull the good engine and crash straight ahead wings level and take what you get.... Better than going in inverted !!!

Danno

I just marvel at the uninformed things written here. In all transport category airplanes, including the ATR, Vmc is below V2, which is the single engine, best rate of climb speed. All transport category airplanes will climb with an engine out, provided they are at or below the max takeoff weight for the ambient conditions. It is illegal in the US to take off above that weight, and I find it hard to believe that any carrier, worldwide would do so. There is obviously more to this story, and it is in extremely poor taste to second guess what happened here.

God bless the crew, passengers, and their families.

Erik

I hate it for the ones that were lost. This is a problem when every you build a city around an airport. Yes it is nice for the traveler but when it goes wrong the results usually are bad unless you name is Capt Sulley. If they would have took off somewere in an open terrian he may could have don't everything everyone is suggesting and even made it back to the airport.

Put your self in the pilot seat.

They did their best to avoid everything they could with all the buildings and terrain.

If you really look at the damage it was small and some lives were saved.

What if he would have hit one of the buildings. We have seen what happens then. Fire, people on the ground and in the building killed.

He managed to get lucky enought to hit water.

That save a lot of live to cushion the hit and keep the fires away.

Prayers to all involved.

That's why there are so many more fatalities in twin engine aircraft crashes where losing an engine was the primary cause. Single engine stuff gives you no choice but to land and best do that straight ahead as mentioned. With twins, when you lose an engine guys get messing around trying to restart the dead engine and forget the first rule of an emergency; fly the airplane.

Turbine powered stuff does have a better single engine capability, but as already noted, when heavy and who knows at this point how heavy he was in relation to the AC's gross weight, 'ain't nothing going to fly very well immediately after takeoff.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Your entire statement is incorrect, with regard to transport category airplanes.

Yep..... A lot of that in these threads..

Again ,Why is this posted on the Jet thread !!!!!

+1

I am sure these guys or gals were doing there best to save them selves, the passengers and the airplane and were doing the right thing. They appear to be caught in a very bad situation. I wouldn't second guess anything at this point much less condeming the pilot.

Double post ?

Maybe because it appears no one wants to post any good RC Jetstuff like video, pictures and information due to the all the negative responses to either their building ideas, or what they choose to buy and fly,Where and how they fly or that their grammar and spelling is never correct or proper.

I just don’t understand either why we have threads like this one.

Very sad, driver of van very lucky.

Maybe because Turboprop a/c are allowed to fly at Jet events!!!!

What I find strange is that they don't stop to help the people in the plane or the cab driver. They decide to keep driving.

Excellent Zeeb, I thought vmc problem from first video clip I saw last night. The aircraft is shown cleaned up, gear & flaps up with gear doors closed and LE looks to be in "auto feather". If the aircraft had been above vmc there is no reason to lose control unless there was another system failure we don't know about yet.

A statement from a fellow pilot and FAA Examiner - You can take all the black boxes, red boxes and any color boxes, but unless you are actually sitting in one of the pilot seats when the incident occurs, you will really never know what happened !

Simple, simple ...............

I love all the second guessers and Monday night quarter backs !

After a career in aviation, I have lost track of how many times I have been asked after an aviation accident, " What do you think happened ? What do you think caused it ? ".
Got really tired of stating, how the heck would I know, I was not in the cockpit flying the aircraft !

Yes it is sad that people lost their lives and my thoughts and prayers go out to those folks, as I have lost so many good friends in aviation accidents. One time in one family, the father and his two sons were all killed in aviation accidents. Notice I said accidents, because they were all separate accidents.

Lets just have good thoughts for the folks that have lost their lives and the loved ones that are suffering because of this incident. And stop the second guessing !