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IFLYBVM2 09-27-2015 02:46 PM

12x Turn On Question
 
Can anyone tell me how to avoid the following ?
I power up my 12X Tx first (of course), then power on the R1221X receiver in my model. Upon the initial turn on, the servos "twitch" for lack of a better word, just for that split second. Not a problem at all, except that when they do, it moves my UP3 valve just enough for it to try and cycle the gear. A minor nusiance I know, but if I forget to support the model I am afraid I might get a gear collapse and damage my gear doors (and ruin my day ). Is this just something I have to live with or is there a fix ?
Thanks-Mike O.

GSR 09-27-2015 03:14 PM

Put a little slop in the servo arm to valve pushrod.

Originally Posted by IFLYBVM2 (Post 12105377)
Can anyone tell me how to avoid the following ?
I power up my 12X Tx first (of course), then power on the R1221X receiver in my model. Upon the initial turn on, the servos "twitch" for lack of a better word, just for that split second. Not a problem at all, except that when they do, it moves my UP3 valve just enough for it to try and cycle the gear. A minor nusiance I know, but if I forget to support the model I am afraid I might get a gear collapse and damage my gear doors (and ruin my day ). Is this just something I have to live with or is there a fix ?
Thanks-Mike O.


stuka 09-27-2015 03:41 PM

I would try rebinding it if you haven't done so already. If it is 2.4 of course.

Dave Wilshere 09-27-2015 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by IFLYBVM2 (Post 12105377)
Can anyone tell me how to avoid the following ?
I power up my 12X Tx first (of course), then power on the R1221X receiver in my model. Upon the initial turn on, the servos "twitch" for lack of a better word, just for that split second. Not a problem at all, except that when they do, it moves my UP3 valve just enough for it to try and cycle the gear. A minor nusiance I know, but if I forget to support the model I am afraid I might get a gear collapse and damage my gear doors (and ruin my day ). Is this just something I have to live with or is there a fix ?
Thanks-Mike O.

You can try re binding with the gear in the down position. But also what servo are you using?

Dave

luv2flyrc 09-28-2015 04:06 AM

Do you have an analog servo on the gear valve? If so, switch it out for a digital and you will not have the issue.

Mike

IFLYBVM2 09-28-2015 04:24 AM

Dave/Mike : It's an old analog JR -I will switch it out and try it again. Thanks guys-

Originally Posted by Dave Wilshere (Post 12105542)
You can try re binding with the gear in the down position. But also what servo are you using?

Dave


Zeeb 09-28-2015 07:31 AM

Any servo that's not digital on that radio setup, will twitch as you describe. I call it a partial deflection and Hitecs are the worst. Horizon admitted there was a problem but neither JR or Horizon ever offered a fix.

luv2flyrc 09-28-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by IFLYBVM2 (Post 12105610)
Dave/Mike : It's an old analog JR -I will switch it out and try it again. Thanks guys-

That will fix it for you :)

It's not just JR that does this with analogue servo's, I've experienced it with other brands as well

Mike

RCFlyerDan 09-28-2015 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by stuka (Post 12105400)
I would try rebinding it if you haven't done so already. If it is 2.4 of course.


Rebind with Gear switch in the "Down Gear Position", Brakes Off, Throttle Idle and Idle Trim, Flaps up. Make sure you set your ECU back up again.

Zeeb 09-29-2015 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by RCFlyerDan (Post 12105826)
Rebind with Gear switch in the "Down Gear Position", Brakes Off, Throttle Idle and Idle Trim, Flaps up. Make sure you set your ECU back up again.

It's got nothing to do with binding unless say the gear is retracting when the model is turned on and before it links with the tx. In this case since the tx can operate rx's with either 1024 or 2048 resolution, there's a pulse sent out by the rx to the servos in the 700 ms range to help setup which resolution. Analog servos don't like that pulse. If operating an rx that's only 1024 it doesn't happen.

KFX450 09-29-2015 04:57 PM

I had the same problem yesterday at the field. Have a 12x, would power up and do the same thing. PITA as the gear would start to cycle then rebound back...I Re-binded and it fixed the problem

RCFlyerDan 09-30-2015 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by Zeeb (Post 12106236)
It's got nothing to do with binding unless say the gear is retracting when the model is turned on and before it links with the tx. In this case since the tx can operate rx's with either 1024 or 2048 resolution, there's a pulse sent out by the rx to the servos in the 700 ms range to help setup which resolution. Analog servos don't like that pulse. If operating an rx that's only 1024 it doesn't happen.

Read OP original post of UP3 gear valve moving. Rebinding NEVER hurts!!!!

Zeeb 09-30-2015 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by RCFlyerDan (Post 12106671)
Read OP original post of UP3 gear valve moving. Rebinding NEVER hurts!!!!

Yes, you should read the OP's post;
" Not a problem at all, except that when they do, it moves my UP3 valve just enough for it to try and cycle the gear."
If it was a case of the gear switch being in the wrong position when bound to the tx, the gear would retract completely, not just move the valve "just enough".

Art ARRO 10-01-2015 03:53 AM

All,
I experienced similar problems with my JR 9303 in both the Gripen and Boomerang. Tried rebinding, digital servos, etc. without result. The final step was a Gear Saver, EDR-126, from Andy Low at electrodynam.com. Problem solved and I'm a happy camper.
Rgds,
Art

RCFlyerDan 10-02-2015 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by IFLYBVM2 (Post 12105377)
Is this just something I have to live with or is there a fix ?
Thanks-Mike O.

So, Mike, it has been several days. Have you resolve your retract issue? If so, how was it resolved for others to learn? Thanks!

IFLYBVM2 10-02-2015 02:30 PM

I have been so busy at work, I have not had the chance to try a digital servo instead of the analog. I will report back ASAP. Thanks to everybody for all the input !


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