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mr_matt 10-14-2015 12:20 PM

What options are there for a flameout alarm for version 6+ JetCat ECU and FASSTest?
 
What options are there for a flameout alarm for version 6 and up JeCat ECU and Futaba (FASSTest) telemetry?



Before our Jeti friends chime in I want a Jeti but not the current version so I am going futaba until the new dual band unit comes out and is well (user) tested. Thanks

gapellegrini 10-14-2015 12:37 PM

Very good product!!

http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...ter-For-Jetcat

FenderBean 10-14-2015 12:45 PM

http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...ter-For-Jetcat

this is for the older style ecu and the below works with the newer style

http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...utaba-Jeti-Mpx

afterburner 10-14-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FenderBean (Post 12112977)
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...ter-For-Jetcat

this is for the older style ecu and the below works with the newer style

http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...utaba-Jeti-Mpx

Did Futaba fix the nomenclature for the Jetcat ECu's with the latest release? The Xicoy for the Xicoy ECU is all in temperature and the EGT works but the limits in the radio aren't great for a flameout alarm. I think it's like -20C to 200C.

Rafale Sport 10-14-2015 01:52 PM

For Jetcat ECU v6 to v10 and T18MZ, look at this thread: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...hread-fix.html

Module compatible with the JetCat V10 sensor embedded with the Futaba T18 v2.51, The ECU parameter values are displayed with correct units (temp, voltage, RPM, etc.). Set an alarm on pump voltage for flame out alert.

mr_matt 10-14-2015 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by gapellegrini (Post 12112970)

Thanks what kind of alarm do i get? Does it alarm on the turbine state? A buzzer or something? Does that depend on the transmitter type or the firmware version? I have a Robbe box BTW so I could try that out.

ltc 10-14-2015 02:53 PM

How about a Jetibox Profi as a standalone ground telemetry unit and add an ECU interface module, Jeti Rx and perhaps a turbine MFlow sensor?
Then you have full Jeti telemetry and still keep your Futaba.

FWIW, I bought one of the first DC-16 and will buy the DC-24 sometime in Dec when it's released.
Jeti has had a pretty good record of performance and reliability IMHO.

Greg Wright 10-15-2015 02:52 AM

The white smoke trail is usually a good alarm...

Unless you have a smoke system going! Lol!!!!

CraigG 10-15-2015 03:36 AM

Personally, I consider a flameout alarm the most valuable of all telemetry data. It's usually impossible to hear a flame out with other turbines in the air and you don't always get or see a white smoke trail. The few extra seconds it might take to recognize a flameout without an alarm could easily make the difference between a successful or unsuccessful dead stick.

It's unfortunate the various turbine/radio manufacturers have so many different protocols, making it difficult to set up a flameout alarm for many turbine/radio combinations. I've only got it so far with my Kingtech/Xicoy and DX-18/TM1000 setup and I really like having it. I have the alarm set up to vibrate since it's also difficult to hear an aural alarm with other turbines running (and I don't like wearing an ear bud).

Craig

asimace 10-15-2015 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by Rafale Sport (Post 12113012)
...Set an alarm on pump voltage for flame out alert.

Or set an alarm on RPM.

Mauri

George 10-15-2015 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by CraigG (Post 12113188)
Personally, I consider a flameout alarm the most valuable of all telemetry data. It's usually impossible to hear a flame out with other turbines in the air and you don't always get or see a white smoke trail. The few extra seconds it might take to recognize a flameout without an alarm could easily make the difference between a successful or unsuccessful dead stick.

It's unfortunate the various turbine/radio manufacturers have so many different protocols, making it difficult to set up a flameout alarm for many turbine/radio combinations. I've only got it so far with my Kingtech/Xicoy and DX-18/TM1000 setup and I really like having it. I have the alarm set up to vibrate since it's also difficult to hear an aural alarm with other turbines running (and I don't like wearing an ear bud).

Craig

+1


Originally Posted by asimace (Post 12113191)
Or set an alarm on RPM.

Mauri

Matt,

That's what I have done. ^^^^^

Although not a JetCat, (Xicoy adapter with Xicoy ECU), I have an alarm set on my 18MZ for RPM. Below 30K, it vibrates. I just set it up and haven't had a flameout, but it does vibrate during the start until it's above 30K, so I'm assuming it will work if the need arises.;)

Gary Jefferson 10-15-2015 05:15 AM

CB Electroniks telemetry unit
 
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Matt, I have one of the CB Electronic telemetry units I will sell. It is a nice German made unit. I changed to Jeti already so if you want it just let me know. I will sell it pretty cheap since I have no use for it any longer. The link below shows the FEPC unit for futaba and you can read the manual on the web site as well so you can see how it works and the readouts you will see on the transmitter. If you are interested just send me an email gjefferson123@roadrunner.com



Pictures of my unit with the instruction manual:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2125435http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2125438

Site Link:
http://www.cb-elektronics.de/Index%20english.html

HarryC 10-15-2015 06:31 AM

I don't know what options Futaba has, but a cheap and simple method is to put a current sensor in the pump wire and use a low current (I use below 0.3amps) as the trigger for the flameout alarm. It will of course alarm when you shutdown the turbine but that's a minor price to pay.

CraigG 10-15-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by HarryC (Post 12113233)
I don't know what options Futaba has, but a cheap and simple method is to put a current sensor in the pump wire and use a low current (I use below 0.3amps) as the trigger for the flameout alarm. It will of course alarm when you shutdown the turbine but that's a minor price to pay.

The Spektrum TM1000 telemetry module comes with an "External Voltage" sensor (in addition to rx voltage), range 0-60v. Could that be wired into the turbine pump lead and an alarm set to "0" volts?

gapellegrini 10-16-2015 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by mr_matt (Post 12113013)
Thanks what kind of alarm do i get? Does it alarm on the turbine state? A buzzer or something? Does that depend on the transmitter type or the firmware version? I have a Robbe box BTW so I could try that out.

On xicoy telemetry my alarm is on pump voltage. Works very well.

On Jetcat (CB) my alarm is on the fuel pump as well. Not so good. Some false alarms. The developer told me to put on RPM but I have not updated my Tx software so RPM won't work since is limited to 3000 I think. Probably the plane will crash before go below 3.000. We also discussed have the alarm on the turbine status field that shows stuff like fuel ramp , running, each of them a number. He thinks could work.

Gabriel


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