I feel your pain.

Yes, your sweet Granddaughters cute little .25cc Trainer is a drone if it weighs more than .5 pounds. It is ridiculous. Once again, one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

Yep !

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2137478

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We should not descriminate against someone just because they follow the teachings of the Quad-ran. Or because they are Dronelums. It's Christmas for Christ's Sake. :)

It is very simple to distinguish Traditional RC from Drone Ops. Your flying contraption is either equipped to fly beyond line of sight or it is not.

If your Piper Cub is equipped for BLOS flight, then it is a drone.

If your Quadcopter is not equipped to fly beyond line of sight, it is Traditional RC.

and if your quad refuses to run, it is "well disciplined RC".

Not according to rule the FAA dreamed up.

But I like it Combat Pig!!!

Once again. The FAA definition of Drone is: Any vehicle operating in the National Airspace that is non-man carrying and is remotely controlled either line of sight or with an onboard real time video system(FPV). This definition is the only one that matters to DOT and FAA.

Ok, I will be more specific, I hate multi rotors!

Well then by all means lets get rid of them.

Please see December Model Aviation Magazine, specifically page 41. Please explain why someone as skilled and creative as Otto Dieffenback, who has been in the hobby since the 60's, should be banned from the AMA because his aircraft are powered and controled by more than one rotor.

After that, please explain why helis, which are also multi rotor aircraft, should be banned as well.

They will never ban multi rotors, and they will never ban helis, so I would suggest you get past that, or consider not being part of the AMA.

Oh come on! If you have not seen the trouble the multi rotors have caused this hobby then you have your eyes wide shut, pick yourself up by your boot straps pull your head out of the sand and at least admit that we did not have these problems till these ugly little drones came out! And you know that these have been the problem, I hate being link in with the ugly things!

And because I hate the multi rotors I should quit the AMA, because you love them so much you should quit AMA you sir are a big part of the problem!

You are 100% correct Hairy46.. The ones that wont come out and say it, are just so afraid of not being politically correct.

Its ok that drone pilots can destroy our hobby... but god forbid anyone say that it was them.

The drone pilots own these problems, but can't get one of them to admit it, can't believe they put us down to THIER levels!

Helicopter multi rotor?? One on top one on tail please that's long ways from a quad. Please give me a break that's like calling a motorcycle a four wheeler. Now really starting to get stupid.

As I recall, when the MR's first came out everyone was in awe at the new technology and some techno-freaks went out and bought them as well as a Go-Pro and had a ball taking videos and some even morphed into Quad Racing and the Quad Racing even brought in some folks that otherwise would not be involved with AMA. The reality is that the hobby itself invited them in, not just the manufacturer's, not just the retailers, but the end user as well, and sadly some of those end user's are not responsible operators.

I hate to make the comparison but it's like guns, we all hate the idiots that misuse them and the unfortunate aftermath that all to often occurs but it is not the gun or the MR that is the problem, they are inanimate objects manipulated by the whims of their operator. Fortunately most operators of both technologies are responsible and the effect of their misuse is not worse. Fine if you choose to hate MR's, certainly free to do that, but isn't it like the gun haters wanting them off the street and eliminated? Gentlemen, it is not the gun nor the MR, it is the operator and just like guns the MR is here to stay so rather than bickering amongst ourselves shouldn't we be trying to find solutions to the problem, from where I sit that seems to be what AMA is trying to do? Yet in these forums I have seen a lot of folk beat them up mercilessly. They are an aircraft and they are radio controlled and they are here to stay and yes they will and are affecting us, we should be channeling are energies to come up with a way to mitigate the damage.

Don't tell my mother I'm a "Drone Pilot"...she thinks I'm a piano player in a ***** house...
Murphey

What's funny is where I fly they look at helicopters dangerous, I know I am a outcast. But in all reality
They for most part fly airplanes anyways they crash a lot! Could say it's airplanes fault they should be banned! My point is I think quads or drones whatever we call it, could be operated safly as long as it's not being flown in wrong spots. We need to educate the owners like a gun safety course ama should have drone safety corse or something. Why can't we all enjoy what we like in a safe manner and stop hating everything.

The honest reason I hate the dang things is because all the harm they have brought to this hobby that I was hoping to do after retirement, now who knows what the drone guys will keep doing with them, now today being Christmas and I'm sure there is allot more of the ugly things, here comes a whole bunch more negative to us RC pilots!

Ignorance, intolerance, and prejudice, as well as a stubborn refusal to accept change and progress is what is politically correct now? If anything that helps destroy the hobby, but fear not, only the dinosaurs who slowly realize their eventual obsolescence are going to be gone from the hobby. That,or they will be on the sidelines continuing to pine away for the good old days.

Amazing that no matter how many times I ask people about Otto and "banning" him from the hobby, not one person has has the guts or brass ones to step up and say they would ban him. Why is that....to politically correct to do so I guess. What hypocrites. Please, isn't there one person who loves this hobby sooo much and wants to keep it as is step up and tell me why this guy and his aircraft should be banned? How has what creates and flies caused damage or harm to to the hobby. I'm dying to understand this logic. He flies multirotors, he's been in the hobby probably longer than most here, but he should be gone?

Rather than trying to swap out definitions, let's compare apples to apples. Multi-rotor. More than one. You can count right? One rotor on top, one rotor at the rear. If that isn't a multi rotor aircraft, also known as a heli, I don't know what is. Those here calling for the banning of multi-rotors have been pretty clear, they are talking about multi rotors...I haven't seen the term quad used other than by you. I know when people throw out stereotypes and generalizations they gloss over things like words, and what they mean.

As for your other definition, wrong again.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2137545
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2137546

As a heli pilot I would presume you of all people would be at least a tad more open to new technology. Perhaps you weren't around when heli's were the "drones" of the day.

So I'll as you, perhaps you will step up an answer:

Please see December Model Aviation Magazine, specifically page 41. Please explain why someone as skilled and creative as Otto Dieffenback, who has been in the hobby since the 60's, should be banned from the AMA because his aircraft are powered and controled by more than one rotor.

I don't think any so-called "traditional modeler" has much of a warm spot for the havoc the MR's have brought to the hobby, like or not, they are here and likely to stay so we might as well learn to deal with the issue and you can hate them all you want but it won't change a thing. Myself, I don't hate MR's, but I do dislike the way some folk operate them. Poison makes some good points however generic they may be, he probably has a better grasp on the issue as FAA does.

You are 100% absolutely right on point with that. Unfortunately as you might see by this and many other threads, even in this thing we do called RC there are plenty of folks filled with anger and hate and distrust and cynicism. Pick a thread, most any thread and you'll find it. Hate on quads/drones/mr certainly isn't the only issue. Hobby vendors, oh how about helis, or perhaps the dreaded 3D pilots versus the Warbird dudes. Don't leave out the anti-arf crew, after all if you didn't scratch build it, you aren't actually a real "traditional" modeler. Finally, there are the foamies...I mean, are they really even good enough to deserve to be in this hobby? I mean really...foamies!

This hobby is just like any other hobby or group, it's a microcosm of humans and all of our issues, good and not so good. :) If it flies and is safe, have at it I say.

Obligatory disclaimer since it's sadly needed: I don't do helis, quads, MR, or drones. It's fixed wing only for me. :)

You're intelligent enough to realize it's the pilot that's the issue, not the airframe. The same can be said for years and years of heli and fixed wing pilots who have done some not so great things, but didn't get the public scrutiny of "drones".