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olnico 01-14-2016 12:22 PM

Pushing the resolution to 5 micron...
 
We just acquired an Ultra High Resolution 3D laser printer.This printer is able to produce a theoretical resolution of 3 micron dots. I have made a print of the 1/7 scale Rafale Ultra Scale strut to this resolution.Enjoy the details...

Here is the full nose strut.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...04095503853317


And a detail of the steering actuator valve with a view of the 0.3 mm hexagonal screw:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...68662051511614


And a view of the detail on the CAD:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...01044459467073


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...33848258110238

That should also give you an idea on the number of hours I spend on these designs. All CAD drawn feature by feature from the pictures of the real thing. Hundreds of hours of drawing....


FenderBean 01-14-2016 12:26 PM

Wow, I'm super excited about 3d printing so many good things for our hobby! I'm planning to buy a small one for little projects like cockpits and small mounts.

invertmast 01-14-2016 12:41 PM

Very Nice Oli!, the technology is amazing, im waiting for a home version of a metal printer.

speaking of which, what are your thoughts on the stainless steel printed parts from shapeways? Apparently they are infused with 40% bronze. I have been wondering if they would be sufficient in strength and low weight for landing gear components.

stevekott 01-14-2016 02:27 PM

Wow Oli, that's GORGEOUS! Nice work!

olnico 01-15-2016 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by invertmast (Post 12161771)
Very Nice Oli!, the technology is amazing, im waiting for a home version of a metal printer.

speaking of which, what are your thoughts on the stainless steel printed parts from shapeways? Apparently they are infused with 40% bronze. I have been wondering if they would be sufficient in strength and low weight for landing gear components.

No, I don't think so. Strength is OK, but density is very high.
Their aluminum is suitable though.

olnico 01-15-2016 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by stevekott (Post 12161850)
Wow Oli, that's GORGEOUS! Nice work!

Thanks, Steve!

invertmast 01-15-2016 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12162225)
No, I don't think so. Strength is OK, but density is very high.
Their aluminum is suitable though.

Interesting thanks! Ill have to order a few test pieces

olnico 01-15-2016 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by invertmast (Post 12162227)
Interesting thanks! Ill have to order a few test pieces

One thing that has to be considered is how the grain/ metal growth is done. I do not think that SLA produced aluminum parts will be as strong as a CNC machined parts made from certified billets.
For example, my 3D printed carbon fiber parts are not as strong as proper laminate layups. So the CAD design has to incorporate a loss of 30% in stiffness and strength.

invertmast 01-15-2016 02:24 PM

Understood. As it is now, some of the gear parts for the F14 are really over-engineered for a model using scales dimensions for bosses and such, plus i have a 4130 steel tube that is inserted into the main strut bodies to act as a oleo strut outer tube for wear minimalization. The gear is over-engineeres i believe.
The big issues is some of the parts (upper and lower strut yokes) require 6-10 jigs/fixtures for cnc machining. If these coule be 3D printed of sufficient strength, it could potentially reduce the manufacturing cost a good bit.

The large XB-70 im designing would also benefit as well. :)

Turbotronic 01-15-2016 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12162415)
One thing that has to be considered is how the grain/ metal growth is done. I do not think that SLA produced aluminum parts will be as strong as a CNC machined parts made from certified billets.
For example, my 3D printed carbon fiber parts are not as strong as proper laminate layups. So the CAD design has to incorporate a loss of 30% in stiffness and strength.

Nice resolution. What are the material characteristics for this part?

Jgwright 01-16-2016 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12162415)
One thing that has to be considered is how the grain/ metal growth is done. I do not think that SLA produced aluminum parts will be as strong as a CNC machined parts made from certified billets.
For example, my 3D printed carbon fiber parts are not as strong as proper laminate layups. So the CAD design has to incorporate a loss of 30% in stiffness and strength.

Oli I am not sure that this is right. If the parts are made with laser sintering they are pretty much as strong as parts made from billet. Have a look at the con rods and auto transmission gears on this link.

https://www.mpif.org/DesignCenter/ca....asp?linkid=65

There is some surface treatment after they have been formed but that is no different to parts produced by traditional means.

I have had bronze inserts made for my moulds by metal sintering and they have taken a high polish and proved very durable.

John

Turbotronic 01-16-2016 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Jgwright (Post 12162663)
Oli I am not sure that this is right. If the parts are made with laser sintering they are pretty much as strong as parts made from billet. Have a look at the con rods and auto transmission gears on this link.

https://www.mpif.org/DesignCenter/ca....asp?linkid=65

There is some surface treatment after they have been formed but that is no different to parts produced by traditional means.

I have had bronze inserts made for my moulds by metal sintering and they have taken a high polish and proved very durable.

John

A mix up of terms here. SLA is a photocuringresin process. SLS ( selective laser sintering ) is not real. Sintering is a below melt and high pressure metal powder process. Common in making automotive parts which is what the above link is about. The correct term for metal laser 3d printing is SLM ( selective laser melting). And yes the parts are full strength but only after post stress relieving since the SLS process introduces a lot of stresses in the part. Voids are possible so x-ray is needed for known quality. Cheap ones start at $50K.

olnico 01-16-2016 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Turbotronic (Post 12162646)
Nice resolution. What are the material characteristics for this part?

The usual AlSi10Mg grade, SLM process.
The part looks great but strength is not as high as a 6016 billet CNC machined. In theory, SLM should achieve full melt. In practice, we have porosities and cracks at microscopic level.

A T6 treatment does remove most of these, but also significantly changes the part dimensions ( to beyond our accuracy requirements at least ).
I suppose that the best machines on the market can achieve that full melt but a 250k USD SLM 125 with 400W lasers does not...

olnico 01-16-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Turbotronic (Post 12162691)
A mix up of terms here. SLA is a photocuringresin process. SLS ( selective laser sintering ) is not real. Sintering is a below melt and high pressure metal powder process. Common in making automotive parts which is what the above link is about. The correct term for metal laser 3d printing is SLM ( selective laser melting). And yes the parts are full strength but only after post stress relieving since the SLS process introduces a lot of stresses in the part. Voids are possible so x-ray is needed for known quality. Cheap ones start at $50K.

Yep.
Both SLM and SLS require post production CNC machining to achieve high dimensional a accuracy ( in the real World at least ) after heat treatment.

I have not seen a reliable 50k SLM machine yet. More like 250 K to my knowledge, to get decent results...

Jgwright 01-16-2016 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Turbotronic (Post 12162691)
A mix up of terms here. SLA is a photocuringresin process. SLS ( selective laser sintering ) is not real. Sintering is a below melt and high pressure metal powder process. Common in making automotive parts which is what the above link is about. The correct term for metal laser 3d printing is SLM ( selective laser melting). And yes the parts are full strength but only after post stress relieving since the SLS process introduces a lot of stresses in the part. Voids are possible so x-ray is needed for known quality. Cheap ones start at $50K.

Thanks for the correction in the terms. I will not be the only one confused! I have used SLA and SLS but not SLM.

John

Jgwright 01-16-2016 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Turbotronic (Post 12162691)
A mix up of terms here. SLA is a photocuringresin process. SLS ( selective laser sintering ) is not real. Sintering is a below melt and high pressure metal powder process. Common in making automotive parts which is what the above link is about. The correct term for metal laser 3d printing is SLM ( selective laser melting). And yes the parts are full strength but only after post stress relieving since the SLS process introduces a lot of stresses in the part. Voids are possible so x-ray is needed for known quality. Cheap ones start at $50K.

Thanks for the correction in the terms. I will not be the only one confused! I have used SLA and SLS but not SLM.

John


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