F-106 1/6 or 1/5 scale, any interest
 

I am checking to see if there is interest in a large scale F-106. 1/6 is about a 12 foot fuselage and about 6.4 foot wing span; 1/5 would be about a 14 foot fuselage and 7.7 foot wing span. The project is wrapped around developing lighter composite layups. I understand I would not be able to compete for delivery price or net profitability with existing companies and especially our eastern friends. Target price would be about $7,500 for airframe and landing gear.

It is also notable, at least to me, that the footprint of the 106 is almost exact for a B-58 ie a 1/6 106 wing makes about a 1/10 B-58.

Serious inquiry please let me know if you have some interest.
Thank you
Charles Rye
[email protected] (please put F106 in the subject line, I avoid emails with unknown sources)
901-849-4926 p leave a message

PS my background was defense industry, general aviation and especially WWII restorations. I worked with composites all the way back to college in the 70’s and have taught it, at least repair, in A&P classes. But I am always looking to learn.

Any particular reason why you chose the 106? Just curious.

Too big. About 1/7 1/8. Jet as big as you talk about would be inder LMA rules and limit your customers. But I LOVE 106s

I was thinking you would have to have a giant trailer to put a 12ft anything in it., unless it broke down of course.

CRye, did you used to work on 106's?

SA: Random conversation at a jet meet got me to looking and could not find in large scale. More serious reason, precursor to B-58 which I have more passion for.
777: Will not know until layup material and process are tested but 54 lb wet is the goal. It will be off the shelf composites but the joining method should give a serious weight reduction. Instead of making throw away test panels I rather build a plane.

SA, negative, P-51 to Corsair, to Zero to building the spar caps for the 6 replica Me262 etc. However I did a little work on a Vampire. Of all things they have a wooden nose section. However no resonance problems for wood.

53lbs wet and 12/14 foot long. I'd have to see that to believe

invert, ya gotta have dreams. Yes 65 or even more, probably much more reasonable goal but going to try. The substantially triangular fuselage gives me a shot at it. Sewn blanket is known and tested by NASA. Joining the layers by sewing. Lattice work of carbon filled with foam and outer and inner layer sewn together and infusion of resin and well above normal vacuum pressure to expel resin down to optimize matrix to resin ratio. The amount of resin normally required to fully wet cloth is often far more than required for max structural strength. The sewing apparatus I am planning may be patentable.
I am beginning to work with a company that does over braiding to produce what amounts to tubes of fiber in the structure but the core remains hollow.
Just saw 1/6 EA6B is there a thread for it or the others???
I would solicit any advise from been there and done that builders.
BTW, most reasonable to figure I will fail but that seems to drive me.

CRye - I saw a F-104 at Warbirds Over the Rockies last weekend that was approx 15ft long and I was told it is 50 lbs. The scale detail was excellent. I am scratch building a F-94C that is 1/6.4 scale, 82" long and dry it is 20.6 lbs. I used some building ideas that I think helped keep the weight down. You can see my build on my web site:

http://www.sidgates.us/HOBBIES/F-94C/F94C%20PROJECT.htm

Ron Schwarzkopf from Ft. Worth has a 1/6( approx.) scale F-106 which he has flown for several years.

Charles, as per our conversation at GA Jets, I'm definitely interested in the progress of your project.

Sid, I looked at your pictures, awesome, and the video. The nose was so odd I looked it up and there it was. I like oddball aircraft.
Can you send contact info for Ron or send mine to him and ask him to contact me.
Charles
[email protected] please put F- 106 in subject line
901-849-4926

You need to go bac and look at the planform drawings of the B58 and F106. They are a long ways off from each other. The 106 has a wider body and much longer nose and the 58 has a longer tailcone. Plus the wings are shaped somewhat differently.

Nothing on the Prowler yet.. We moved, all my stuff is in storage and im debating on if im even going to stay in the hobby for the short term...

the F14 and TA-152H both have build threads here in RCU.

rg,
I would appreciate any direction to drawings.
I am also looking for a source for the maintenance manuals for the 58.
I got a good set for the 106 from avialog but the 58 is limited. You have to buy a membership to download.

Thank you
Charles

I would but in 1/7 scale

I have had ideas of building one of these also, was thinking 1/7 scale that makes dimensions 121.25" long {including pitot tube} 65.64" span and 34.75" high. 1/6.5 scale may be nice also. Have the detail & scale book for this plane, very nice book as it has three views with cross sections.

Scott

There is also a nice website for this aircraft, much info {history, info, pictures, 3-views} www.f-106deltadart.com

Scott

rg,
My comment on the 106 vs58 wing was based on top view drawings and they seem to lay over each other. However, I did also buy a 1/48 scale B-58 and can now see the 58 has an expanded area near the wing root.
Any leads to information is appreciated.
I also remembered a friend from full scale aviation who flew the 106 and contacted him.
Charles

106 Big Jump on Project
 

I networked through a full scale shop that had reviewed both photo 3D scan and tactile data systems to copy parts. I was very fortunate they knew a professional model builder, Boeing, Lockheed etc. I contacted him looking for 3D scan technology. Well, he actually had started a 106 project but just like may happen to me he has to devote his time elsewhere.
Special thanks to Butch for the jump start, I now have a blue foam fuselage plug and data set.
Turns out to be 1/7 which is larger than I thought and probably a good place to start my first major project.

The "6" is a beautuful jet. Make it 140 size and it will sell

The F-106 has be done before. Ron Schwarzkopf from Texas and one from Wash. or Oregon state. Ron can be contacted thru JPO. https://www.jetpilots.org/districts
I saw a proto of a B-58 at Greater Southwest Jet Rally in 2000. B-58 at 5:48 in this video.

F-106
 

Thinking back quite a few years, Darryl Usher used to produce a fiberglass and foam F-106 kit. I don't remember the scale, but it was a very simple, one person manageable size jet.
Memory says it was just about the right size....Had a fiberglass fuselage and a balsa sheeted foam core wing. The late Richard Fong built and flew one back in the day that was featured in RCJI. I always keep an eye open for an Usher kit for sale.
Today's trend is to produce very large (some like me will say overly large) jets that are large enough to require a large trailer and a ground crew to set up and assemble before and after flight.
As far as size is concerned, if it large enough that I can't handle it by myself, I don't want it. I cannot lift my assembled Ultra Bandit by myself, (can't reach aound it) so that size is my personal limit.
Why do you need such a 1/4 or 1/5 F-106?
Make it a manageable size and I will get in line for one.

Rich Fong flew his at a Denver Jet Rally many years ago. I think it had approx. 17lbs of thrust and flew nicely off our 650ft runway at 5700ft msl. Usher design was the one I was trying to remember.

Hello 106 fans. The one I flew for a number of years was 1/10 scale. I wanted to make another one at a larger scale, and was looking at about 1/7 to 1/8 scale. I've gotten wrapped up into another scratch build which will tie me up for the next year or so (???), so my 106 plans have been put off for a while. I've looked at the Six at 1/6 scale and it is too large for me to work, considering my shop size. Fuselage plugs at 100+" length get heavy, and take up space. Then, you have the molds...

The Darryl Usher kit was a nice size at 1/9 scale. Of course, a model from 20 years ago would seem small these days. :)