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Gordon Mc 10-27-2003 11:11 AM

Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
 
Last week I started builing the Mick Reeves 1/6 scale Hawker Hunter.

I got kit # 1, and Mick told me this morning that he has sold 14 kits so far - so if any of you out there are building this kit too, feel free to share!

I've spent about 10 to 12 hours on the kit so far, and already have the wings framed up ready for skinning with proskin, plus the fuselage repaired where some shipping damage occured, and I have just started working on the fuselage formers.

I have some pics that I will post later, and I'll probably do a high-level overview of the construction here. I won't be doing a detailed build-log like I did for the Super Bandit several months ago. That one took a substantial amount of time to do (probably 60+ hours), and it got lost in the shuffle when we moved to the new RCU, so I really can't justify spending that much time doing that kind of thing here again without having control over its lifespan.

What I think I will do, is put together a Word doc explaining the build process, showing photos of areas not covered in the manual, pointing out some minor mistakes (it is kit #1 after all), and detailing additional info that I glean from conversations with Mick during the build. I'll then make that doc available to any of you who are building the kit.

Note that this may be a disjointed build. I had originally planned that my next building task was to be replacement wings for my Super Bandit. However, since I'm now in my third month of waiting for the wing parts, I gave up on that for the time being and that's why I started the Hunter last week. Depending on how things go, I may choose to swap over to the Super Bandit again if the wing parts for it arrive ; also, I have not yet decided just how much time I want to spend on detailing this model. So, please have patience if you do ask for Hunter build info from me - it may come in disjointed spurts.

Later,
Gordon


BTW, Dave Platt's "The Jetset" video collection also deals with building a Hawker Hunter - his onw one, rather than Mick's kit, but nevertheless it is a perhaps worth a look for anyone building this kit - the section on cockpit detail is pretty good.

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maverick 10-27-2003 11:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gordon Mc

I won't be doing a detailed build-log like I did for the Super Bandit several months ago. That one took a substantial amount of time to do (probably 60+ hours), and it got lost in the shuffle when we moved to the new RCU, so I really can't justify spending that much time doing that kind of thing here again without having control over its lifespan.
Gordon, the Super Bandit review is still here:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/BVM_..._305904/tm.htm

Gordon Mc 10-27-2003 11:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: maverick
Gordon, the Super Bandit review is still here:

Ahhh .. it finally came back ! Marc did not merge the review forum when he transitioned from the old to the new RCU, and when I contacted him about it he was unsure what could be done about it after the fact.

I think I shall now go get a webscraper tool and take a copy of the SB review to archive in case it goes aaway again.

Thanks for pointing out that it came back !

Gordon

tp777fo 10-27-2003 12:07 PM

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I too, have been interested in this kit. What's your impression of the quality, glasswork, retracts, gear/brakes etc. Does it have intake ducting or bypass. Is the pipe double or single wall. What were the shipping costs? Anything that you could offer to help make up my mind would be helpful.

Thanks!

Gordon Mc 10-27-2003 01:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: tp777fo

I too, have been interested in this kit. What's your impression of the quality, glasswork, retracts, gear/brakes etc. Does it have intake ducting or bypass. Is the pipe double or single wall. What were the shipping costs? Anything that you could offer to help make up my mind would be helpful.

Thanks!
The glasswork is very good. A reasonable amount of surface detail is moulded into the fuselage, the two fuselage halves (seperable, for transport) fit together very nicely, and the hatch cover is also a nice fit. There does not appear to be any C/F, kevlar, or other such material used - just plain old fibreglass. The 'wetting' seems about right too - enough resin used to do the job, without excess anywhere. The pre-joined seams are well done too, and should need very little work to smooth out before painting.

The model uses main-wheel brakes now, unlike the nose-gear brake system that Mick used on models such as the Lightning. I have no idea yet how effective they will be, as I have not tried activating them. The nose gear leg is quite a nice looking casting, with dampening action on it. The main gear legs are plain (not meant to look scalke at all). The wheels look nice enough, but the tires seem a little on the soft side for a model of this scale. I would not be surprised to find out that the tires sag & wear more easily than the hard-rubber tires that I am used to.

The retracts - well, this is not a $1000 gear system like I am used to on most of my jets, so that needs to be borne in mind when asessing thsese units. The retract unit seem pretty light, and may not take enormous amounts of abuse like some of the more expensive gear will, but my impression so far is that they seem adequate for the job in hand, and are cheap enough that you can repair or replace parts if you do manage to screw them up. There is some slight interference on at least one of my units (discussed that with Mick today, and will be trying out a couple of ideas soon), and there are a couple of little things that I will be changing (will describe and do photos later), but so far I don't see any reasons to complain. Will reserve full judgement for whan I try operating them.

No bypass is used. Intake ducting is supplied "flat-pack" - you ned to cut the material and roll it to the correct shape.

I don't recall what the pipe was, but Tam may 'pipe' up here - he had a look at it last week. Failing that, I'll try to remember to take a look when I get home.

Can't help you on the shipping costs. I just called Mick up and said that I wanted the kit plus every option that he makes, plus some spare polyply and a spare canopy, and I got a bill for the whole deal. No idea how much of it was shipping, what the conversion rate was, etc.

Gordon

BMT 10-28-2003 01:07 AM

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Hi Gordon,
here is a pic of Mike Beachyhead's favourite Hunter. I have many detailed pics if anybody needs some.
It really makes a for a pretty sight in the air...
Cheers
Andre
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BMT 10-28-2003 01:17 AM

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Doug Cronkhite 10-28-2003 06:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gordon Mc
The retract unit seem pretty light, and may not take enormous amounts of abuse like some of the more expensive gear will Gordon
Come on Gordon.. you don't dish out enormous abuse to landing gear do you? :D

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 09:38 AM

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Andre - I'd love to have any pics you can supply of Mike's aircraft. I'll PM you my email addr and maybe you can send them that way ? The Reeves kit is an F-6 BTW - any idea what marks Mike has ?

Doug - of course I don't dish out enormous abuse to my landing gear ... but in case I have Chris help me out with the first few flights, I have to think about his landing style ;)

I took some pics last night, but couldn't post 'em due to some problems with my PC. Will try again when I get home tonight.

sideshow 10-28-2003 11:37 AM

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Doug - of course I don't dish out enormous abuse to my landing gear ... but in case I have Chris help me out with the first few flights, I have to think about his landing style ;)
:D

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:23 PM

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The kit arrives in a rather sizable box

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:29 PM

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Unfortunately there was some slight damage done during shipping. I discussed this with Mick and he said he'd pack things a bit different. You can see that for the fuselage, the damage was done by the way the box containing the pilot figure was packed on top of the fuselage, and some impact during shipping did the dirty deed. It looks worse that it really was though - the dents popped out to the original shape fairly well, and I just needed to repair one crack sideways across the nose, plus another crack along the fuselage upper-to-lower join.

The Fin former F11 was also broken in a couple of places, but was an easy fix.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:36 PM

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Here you can get an idea of some of the parts included in the kit.

The first pic shows the fuselage formers, all plywood, and all nicely machined. The fit of the formers to the fuselage is prety good, such that thin CA (or in my case, PlastiStic) can easily hold the formers in place until such time as you get around to epoxying them.

The second pic shows the wing parts. The ribs around the landing gear are again plywood. The other ribs - I've seen Mick refers to these as "lite-ply", but they don't look like the kind of lite-ply that I am used to seeing. The material actually looks more like balsa-ply.

Finally, you can see the landing gear : retract units, struts and wheels. The main wheel tires seem like hard foam, whereas the front tire is a rubber shell with air inside.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:43 PM

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The size of the model is kinda interesting ... here's a couple of shots of the fuselag side-by-side with a BVM Super Bandit, for size comparison.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:48 PM

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The hatch cover is all fibreglas, including fibreglass stiffeners rather than the more traditional glass shell and plywood stiffeners glued around the edges.

mr_matt 10-28-2003 08:49 PM

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WOW looks like a nice plane, I love the size.

Except the size of the hatch :-(

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 08:58 PM

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The kit includes a handy stand that is used not just for field support when the model is finished, but also for aiding construction.

The plans call for the end pieces to be hinged, with wire braces to support the ends when the stand is erected. I chose to do things a little differently, using 1" x 1/2" hardwood strips to create a "slot" for the ends to fit into. The base of the stand is subdivided for holding tools etc, as well as for holding the ends just now.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 09:09 PM

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Wing construction is pretty simple.

The main spar is plywood with holes routed out of it. The ribs are simply inserted sideways through these holes, and then rotated until they lock into place in the spar. Very neat, very simple, and pretty close to foolproof in terms of ensuring proper alignment of each rib.

The leading edges (2 of them due to the saw-tooth at mid-span) are keyed onto the front of the ribs via notches, and the ply rear spar is similarly notched for insertion from below. The entire wing assembly can be slotted together without any glue being used, and yet it is rigid enough to pick it up off the building board so that you can inspect it.

There were a couple of mistakes that I had to correct here - but they were fairly minor. One rib was incorrectly cut and had to be replaced; also ribs R6 did not have the hole cut in them for the wing-tube. There were also some slight mistakes in the instructions, but nothing earth-shattering. Bear in mind, as I said before, that I got kit # 1 - so these minor issues are completely expected.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 09:19 PM

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The fuselage can probably be glued together if you wish, but the plans call for it being built as a two-piece assembly that you bolt together.

The main task of holding the fore & aft sectiopns together falls to two formers - F9 and F10. One glues in at the end of each fuselage half, and then the two are aligned via dowels, and secured to each other via 3 bolts.

The manual gets the two slightly mixed up in terms of the labeling in the parts diagrams and one of the pics, but it should be obvious that the smaller former goes in the rear fuselage, regardless of whether you want to call it F9 or F10. Here you can see the rear section.

Note that the instructions are generally quite high-level, and not every part is covered. This means that its important for you to read the instructions multiple times, and scour the plans until you understand what goes where. Doing this will e.g. ensure that you realise that F11 has to be glued into the rear fuselage section before F10, even though the manual just dives traight into F9 & F10. Again - not a problem if you take your time, plus you need to bear in mind that this is not a multi-thousand dollar kit that will be bought by hundreds of people... it's a niche market kit that provides you with the parts you need, and assumes a certain amount of thought will be put into the construction by the user.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 09:34 PM

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After gluing F10 in the rear fuselage with PlastiStic, I bolted F9 to F10 and aligned the fuselage halves in the stand, then tack-glued F9 into the forward fuselage half... but first (there's that "planning" thing again), it's actually necessary to insert the F3 & F4 assembly into the fuselage. All other formers can be slipped into place afterwards, but the F3 to F4 assembly that holds the nosegear in place won't fit through any of the openings so needs to go in through the rear before F9 is glued in place.

Regarding F3 & F4 and the landing gear plates that join the two formers - the parts fit together perfectly in a way that has F3 & F4 perpendicular to the gear plates. This is not how the asembly must be when finished though - as the fuselage plan shows, you need to cant the formers forward. I made some small lite-ply trinagles that would ensure the correct alignment, as well as giving a little more bracing.

The black parts on the underside of the gear plate are the rubber grommets. These neat little parts are inserted from below, and contain a threaded brass insert at the top. The screw that hold the retract unit into the mount goes through the rubber to the brass, and when you tighten the screw up the brass part pulls downward causing the rubber to expand. This provides for a certain amount of "flex" in the mount.

Gordon Mc 10-28-2003 09:39 PM

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Last pics for today.

These show the basic proportions of the aircraft now that I have temporarily mated the wings to the fuselage.

So far, all is going well. The only area that I really have any trepidation about, is skinning the wings - just because the use of proskin is new to me.

Later,
Gordon

WhoDaMan 10-28-2003 10:45 PM

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Awsome Gordon:
She is really coming together.

Dave R

wd40 10-29-2003 06:31 PM

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I have been trying to send emails to Mick reeves and I never get any response I would like to get this kit. What is his email?

F106A 10-29-2003 08:34 PM

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http://www.mrmodels.fsnet.co.uk/

Gordon Mc 11-09-2003 08:32 PM

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I've now installed more of the fuselage formers (omitting the engine mount one for now until the choice of engine is made, to allow for varying mounts), framed up the elevators & stabs, and have started working with the proskin covering. I elected to start with the smallest parts first, building the elevators and then the stabs, to get some experience with using this stuff before moving on to cover the wings.

Here are a few more pics showing some of the latest progress, including one wing laden down with weights while the glue holding the proskin covering sets:

Gordon Mc 11-09-2003 08:33 PM

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More pics

sideshow 11-09-2003 09:06 PM

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So how are you liking that proskin? Sounds like an interesting product......

Gordon Mc 11-09-2003 09:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: sideshow

So how are you liking that proskin? Sounds like an interesting product......

I'll reserve judgement until after I'm done....

Gordon

Gordon Mc 11-11-2003 07:42 PM

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A few more pics that give some idea of the outline of the model.

Note that the wings & stabs are only skinned on one side so far, so I'm not quite as far along as it may seem.

avicom 11-11-2003 09:02 PM

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Gordon, It's looking great!!! How long it take's you to get to this stage and what power plant are you planing to install?
Regards
avicom

KFalcon 11-11-2003 09:45 PM

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I just went to his website to look at the finished product. That is a good looking plane. He mentioned something about the models movement being "sensitive." Have you ever watched one fly? I may be interested in one but don't want something that makes me grit my teeth every flight.

I am anxious to see your finished product!

Gordon Mc 11-11-2003 10:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: avicom

Gordon, It's looking great!!! How long it take's you to get to this stage and what power plant are you planing to install?
Regards
avicom
At a guess - about 30 hous of building.

Powerplant : right now the plan is that it will either be the P120 from my Bobcat, or a new BMT 120 KS. Have not decided for sure yet.

Gordon

SJN 11-21-2003 07:54 PM

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any updates?

:-)

lbrannan 11-22-2003 06:51 AM

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Gordon,
You have a talent for explaining why the building sequence is such and then showing exactly the right picture. Would you consider cutting a cdrom and selling it with text & pics? Just a thought - outstanding thread...thanks for documenting the build. I enjoy threads like this more than any other part of RC Universe.

Regards,

Larry Brannan

Gordon Mc 11-24-2003 08:27 PM

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Sorry - haven't been on RCU much since I dropped the moderator job, so I didn't see the last couple of posts until now.

I'd be happy to put any pics I have on a CD, along with some notes in MS Word, and send it to anyone who is thinking about building this model.

I don't know about the model's sensitivity - that could be a CG or control-surafec travel issue. I have a couple of updates that I will post just now. After that there may be a scarcity of updates for a little while as I will be away from home for a while, and when I get back I have a Kingcat to put together for a friend, and as of last week I finally did get my replacement Super Bandit wing kit... so the Hunter may take a back seat for a little while.

Anyway, here goes with the updates.

The flap is a very thin, yet very rigid assembly as shown below. The control horn is hiden totally inside the wing BTW, and the flap servo will be accessible from the wheel well.

Gordon Mc 11-24-2003 08:34 PM

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Finishing the stab & elevator assembly was a slightly finicky job. The second skin is applied while keeping the assembly in a saddle to ensure that it is held straight, and then a balsa LE is added. The tip is a clear plastic moulding. It looks like there should have been a "double" tip rib for the stabs, such that the pro-skin is applied to one, and then the plastic tip is trimmed to lie over the other. There was no such rib supplied, so I just made one up.

Here are a couple of pics of the stabs with elevators in place.

Gordon Mc 11-24-2003 08:37 PM

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The elevator actuator consists of wire rods that are glued into the elevators, and a rotating shaft mounted to the fuselage which has two slots machined into it - the wires in the elevators slide into these slots. This pic of the slotted shaft did not come out too well, and I don't have one of the elevator wires right now - will try to rectyify both of these oversights later.

Gordon Mc 11-24-2003 08:42 PM

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I have also installed the gear and the associated formers in the fuselage now. This took a little thought, as the nose gear retract must be fitted from the bottom, yet will not fit through the openings for the gear doors. In the end, I elected to cut the gear doors exactly to their scale size, then cut a wider section out on either side of the rear gear door. The additional cut-outs will be removable and mounted via some poly-ply screws and tabs. (Pics later)

Here are a couple of pics of the model sitting on its gear for the first time:

Doug Cronkhite 11-24-2003 11:42 PM

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Let me know when that's ready to fly Gordon.. Can't have you dinging this one up. My ceiling tile electrics have prepared me for test flying the Hunter. I'm ready when you are.

Gordon Mc 12-06-2003 09:59 AM

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I had been waiting on the drop-tank kit to arrive, before closing out the wing - that way I would be sure of getting the hardpoints in the correct location...

The drop-tank kit arrived from Mick last week. It really is a kit, and not a partial assembly as some manufacturers provide. Each tank is built up from a sheet of Proskin that you must roll into a cylinder, wooden parts used to support the skin and keep the cylinder round, 4 pieces of clear plastic that you must join to make the nose and tailcone of the tanks, plsu a host of other pieces that you assemble to make the pylon.

Below you can get an idea of some of the design of the tanks:


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