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I knew this was coming
Joe,
I disagree that the "only" thing the new administration at JPO has done is whine. I have been there during Vernon's tenure, and now under Steven's. Both men are close friends, and flying buddies of mine so I have known both for a long time. Both men have very similar viewpoints on turbine safety and both are extremely knowledgeable, and experienced jet modelers. (and turbine operators) As far as I know the only communications with AMA that Steven has had to deal with in the 4 short months he has been in office are issues that the AMA has jumped up and thrown at Turbine pilots. Document 543 for example that just restates what we as wavier holders have already signed. You made mention of all the renegades. What are you talking about? You are right turbine pilots want things their way so do the helicopter guys, the giant scale guys, the freeflight guys, the rubber band guys, etc.... TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT! I don't know squat about freeflight.....don't want to! But the guys that fly freeflight have the most knowledge about their models and what is important to them. Jet guys are the same way. If the AMA truly wants to have open dialogue with JPO and jet modelers why don't they make it a 2 way street instead of just creating documents, and demanding removal of pertinent safety information form the JPO website? Or am I being a renegade for even asking? David Reid JPO Webmaster P.S. Joe since you are the one that grades the Turbine questionaires, and can easily discern cutting and pasting why don't YOU just fail the obvious cheaters on their tests and then they will have to put it in their own words. |
Turbines pilots are dangerous?
Now maybe the AMA will get smart and order Waivers for all pilots of all RC Aircraft (not just turbine pilots)!
5/19/02 Via Kvoa (Ch4) http://www.kvoa.com/stories/5192002_2.html Model airplane kills man (Tucson-AP) -- A 60-year-old Tucson man is dead after the radio-controlled plane he was operating near the Pima County Fairgrounds crashed into his chest. Roger Wallace was flying the six-pound plane with the Southern Arizona Modelers, a radio-controlled airplane group he'd been involved with for three years. Wallace was pronounced dead at the scene of the 9:30 a-m accident yesterday. The Pima County Sheriff's Department say it appears the sunlight caused Wallace to lose sight of his airplane, which had a wingspan of about five feet. |
Re: "First Hand" AMA Experience
Originally posted by Nick Yuhasz Here is my "first hand" experience with an AMA employee regarding Turbine Waivers: While at the Toledo Show this April, I stopped by the AMA booth and talked to Carl Maroney (AMA Special Services Director). I let him know that I was a proud AMA member and expressed my thanks for AMA's contribution to the hobby in the past. I then expressed my dislike of the "growing" Turbine Waiver regulation. I told him it appeared every time I visited the AMA web site there was another document with new regulations regarding turbines. I told him that AMA should not just single out turbine jets for increased safety regulations and that there should be a waiver and proficiency test for helicopters and that they were just as inherently dangerous in the air as turbine jets. He (Carl) answered that they were "considering that". I was shocked by his answer! AMA was going to consider a waiver and proficiency test for ALL helicopter pilots (glow, gasoline, and turbine powered)? It was obvious as we talked further that he was referring ONLY to TURBINE HELICOPTERS! I think this is indicative of the "tunnel vision" of some AMA officials (both paid and unpaid) regarding their thought process. You can draw your own conclusions. I'm not sure what conclusions you are trying to infer from this post. Aside from the well-known fact that regulations are on the way to insure turbine helicopters, I'm not sure what your complaint is... |
Re: Re: "First Hand" AMA Experience
Originally posted by EASYTIGER I'm not sure what conclusions you are trying to infer from this post. Aside from the well-known fact that regulations are on the way to insure turbine helicopters, I'm not sure what your complaint is... Why not a pilot waiver (maneuver signoffs by "helicopter CD's", Gaint Scale CD's", etc.) for ALL RC pilots! If AMA members don't speak up then we are susceptible to whimsical decisions that don't reflect the membership's desires. |
I knew this was coming
Now I understand what you are saying. I disagree in that I, personally, think that turbines are more dangerous than the other models, but I don't want to debate that. To me, it's incredibly obvious.
BUT...back to this topic...what difference does it make to US that other models are dangerous? We have to worry about OUR models. Does no good to get pulled over and tell the cop that "everybody else is speeding...", it's just not relevant. I talked with Carl Maroney for a couple of hours at Toledo. He DID say that they were working on a wavier system for giant aerobats and the like. They are VERY well attuned to the fact that turbines are not the only models with serious damage potential. It will take time to develop a set of rules for those models, and the idea is still just that, an idea, not a motion on the table already. Turbines are not being singled out for persecution, and it's not some goofy whim. Turbines were EASIER to regulate, as they are NEW. It took several years of hard work by a lot of people who we all are indebted to, but they DID get turbines accepted and insured. It would have been a whole lot easier for the AMA to just say, "sorry, we don't insure turbines", and you can be sure that they would have the majority of members behind them. Nick, read this, and remember this. It was not WHIMSICAL at all. AMA's insurance cost went up by 73%(if I remember correctly) this year. I just got off the phone with my auto insurance company, my rates went up because I live in NYC and they would just as soon not cover me at all. I got dropped by Geico right after September 11th. Never had a claim, paid all my bills in time, they just decided it's not worth the risk. AMA is doing what they can to keep the risks manageable BEFORE the insurance company just does it for us. We have been with the same insurance company for a long time now, there is no guarantee that if they dropped us, we would be able to get coverage AT ALL, much less at the price we pay now. It's reality, it's the way of the world. |
I knew this was coming
Ok...My 2 cents after reading all of the posts:
Joe, I think you have a valid point about all the b&m-ing going on. It does make us look like cry-babies to the mass who haven't got a clue about df's much less turbines. HOWEVER: you are off the mark with the comment about "only 2 homebuilt wavers have been issued". I know of 6 Wrens being constructed, but to do it right takes time...and this is still a hobby, not my job. Granted, you were blowing off steam do to all the negativity being written.....some of it indirectly aimed at you, but that point comes accross to those of us who have been involved (either directly or indirectly) with the proposals as a negative/typical AMA/JPO/CIA/KGB/IRS proposal.... :) It does seem that most of the stuff that filters down to us in the trenches seems to be via "fiat" rather than via "explanation". Perhaps a subtle change in the way things are diseminated from Muncie might help..... Now if everyone could just apply a tiny amount of the negative energy used to write all the slams to construct positive proposals for the powers-that-be to review..... Thanks for teh work you do Joe.....I sure wouldn't want to! Greg |
Turbine License
This subject never ceases to amaze me. The rules are pretty simple. You fill out the paperwork, answer the questions, get signed off by the engine rep and take a flight test. What's so dificult about that. Unless you wait until the last minute to do everything?!?!?!
Except for the paperwork, it isn't that much different than takig a flight test to prove you can fly when going to a new club or visiting another. it's just a faster aircraft and a tougher test. If you can't answer the questions, make left and right hand turns take-off and land what business do you have with a turbine powered aircraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There will always be those who feel they are above the rules (simple as they are). Fortunately they are becomming fewer in number as most seem to realize that doing it the right way is a lot better for everyone envolved. JB - OUT |
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