has the AMA gone to far?
 

i really thikn the AMA is going a lil over the line, if we must fly at 200mph then it better go NO LOWER! please take this poll so your voice can be heard.

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I think the last bit of work the AMA did on the turbine regs was excellent.

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really? this slips my mine. please ellaborate.

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im just pivved that the poeple who bought aircraft that can go faster than 200Mph have to restrict them. cause then they just wasted a bunch of money on something they can't fly, when they could have bought a slower plane for cheaper.

~pete

RE: has the AMA gone to far?
 

Here we go again, again and again.

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lol, i hear ya. i just wish something could be done. i mean i think the poeple who fly such aircraft know what they are doing. its not like some rookie like my self is gonna buy a $20K aircraft and try to fly it( i'm going for more of a $359 plane lmao). i'm still lost and please, if your gonna reply please don't say things like they are facts, just state your opinion, attack the idea not the person. lets keep it a discusion not a pissin contest,

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I felt sorry for our club menber who waited till his kids were finishing collage to find out the "new" rules, so he quit. In our state we have one
flying site that is open 3 days a year. You must travel and fly, he and I don't think it possable.
Darryl Usher

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i argee and i'm happy you left a comment. IF anyone else has something to say please be heard.

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SO Darryl quit whining and move somewhere where you can fly jets more than three friggin days out of the year! Really how much would you fly if you lived where you COULD fly?

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Get real, move to fly a toy. I realy like to design. I live 10 miles from a 350' hard surface toy airport and fly about ten times a year.
Darryl Usher

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The whole reason I bought my house is that it is 5 min from the flying field. Well may be not the whole reason, but it was a big factor.


F-22
I think the AMA has seen the light in the time turbines have been around. We will see in time where the regs go, but I think they are heading the right direction.
Randy

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Yeah, well ... until the problem goes away, the discussion of it will not.

As for the new regs being excellent - that's kinda subjective. For the people who wanted more thrust in order to fly their draggy scale aircraft, I'm sure the reg's are great. For the people who got screwed as part of the price that was paid for others to get more thrust, it aint necessarily quite so great. Furthermore, if the current reg's are so great, then why is that that I keep hearing from so many people (and even from some of the most publicly vocal supporters of the new reg's) that they intend ignoring the 200 mph limit ? Even those who publicly praise the new rules frequently point out in private that some of those great rules are in fact nonsense.

Gordon

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Then quit whining about not having a place to fly. FI I had 350' of hard surface 10 miles away I would fly every day. 10 times a year huh....that sounds like a regular afternoon for me.

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David:
If all you do is fly, there is more to life than fly. I feel sorry for you. I am glad your not up here though.
It is harded to get up from the ground after starting a engine, so I thought getting a auto start was the answer. but the AMA and the good old boy club says that not good enought. Maybe we should have a 40 year old limit, no flying after 40. Or pick your limit.
Darryl Usher

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Darryl,

Your last post makes absolutely no sense at all. You keep complainign about the rules but in the next breath you tell us that you don't ever fly....and what in the hell has an autostart engine got to do with the AMA? The rule that you keep complaining about has to do with maintaining at least a minimum level of proficiency if you are not flying there is no way you can be maintaing that. If something is important enough to you, you will find a way to do it. Obviously RC jets are not as important to you as they are to some of us. FWIW I don't only fly I work hard so I play hard. Modelling is an important part of my life and has been since I was very young. So I make a commitment to pursuing it, for me it means I have to travel even though I have a couple of places locally that I can fly. I enjoy the time I spend with other modellers that share my same interests. You see these jets as toys I see them a stress relief and relaxation tools. Too many people are reading too much into the new rules, they loosen the restrictions on the majority of people. Gordon how often do you really fly 200+ mph? Is it really worht getting as worked up as some of you are getting over this?

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i know that dave r doesnt need me to stick up for him.he will answer for him self
but like many of us dave r has a passion for flying/ and maybe has the kind of job
that he has the time to fly alot and if that is so more power to him
i work a 4 days on 4 days off work week i also get a lot of time to fly
i will say that i am at the field more than anyone else i also coach my sons
baseball team/we do alot of traveling/just because we fly alot doesnt meen
we do not have lives
vinny
i also live 10 mins from my flying field and it is a great thing

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I guess it's been a pretty bad winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm with Low Carb David! The new rules have been an improvement for the majority of turbine modelers that I know and I am grateful for them. But we also have to take the responsibility to help enforce them now, each one of us.

Now, if we can just get Mr. Tiano in the Captain's chair!

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Previously, often enough ; since the beginning of this month - not at all ...

How about you ?
(Ooops - silly question.... naturally you intend abiding by the new 200 mph rule, ... right ?;))

In my opinion - yes.

Given how many people feel it is necessary to lie about abiding by this new rule, it should be clear just how great that new rule is.

Ever heard the story of the Emperor's new clothes ? You guys are welcome to keep publicly telling the emperor that his clothes are wonderful, while sniggering at him in private -- but as far as I'm concerned, he's butt-naked and I've told him so.

Gordon


edit : fix tag.

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Gordon,

Right now the two airplanes I am flying don't fly over 200 mph....when controlled by the pilot! I just don't see with the obvious benefit of the new rules why this one item is such a sticky point for a few people. I didn't see any speed police at Florida Jets.

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David, um he can complain all he wants, you happen to be more lucky then him. maybe he's hit a few hard times and can't "just move". i know i can't "just move" and if you think we should. than i really have to say.....get a life. R/C modelling is a fun hobby and is a great stress releifer (sometimes!) but if it commands the major decisions in your life thats a sham.

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Ugh guys, how is David's desire to live near a location at which he can enjoy his hobby any different than someone buying a home at an airport community, or someone living on a golf course, or living near a great surfing beach, or buying a horse farm, or living near a race track or ... you get the point right?

I have often considered buying enough land to have my own runway. The problem is I also want to live near/on the ocean and large tracts of ocean front property that could be used for a runway are cost prohibitive, at least so far. Interestingly they are not cost prohibitive for my wife's uncle who has both a regular strip and a seaplane strip on his property. Now if only the strip were paved.

Antony

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We have highway speed limits, we have city speed limits, trains have speed limits, full-scale aircraft have speed limits, etc.

What puts you above everyone else?????????

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NO I DON'T BELIEVE SO....

I'll bet there isn't 2 Jet pilots in America that have sustained speeds at or above 200 mph for 15 mins cumulative time in the last twelve months flying Jets ! This go fast thing is just not all it's cracked up to be. See one or two low high speed passes and they just become yawners. As I've said before since high speed is relatively easy to accomplish because of the thrust produced by our turbines, speed for speed sake is just not the challenge for Jets it once was. The days of the crazy speed trap diving contests are over, and that's a good thing cause that trap diving is one reason we still are struggling to prove the level of safety & maturity that we all know exists in Jet world today.

As for other changes in our regs that might seem distasteful keep in mind AMA clubs can still scantion Jet events and actually be covered by AMA insurance. I believe our sign-offs, logging, and slight flight restrictions are a small price to pay.

THE JET RALLY SEASON HAS BEGAN FOR 04, WE ALL KNOW THE MOST LIKELY HAZARD OF OUR JETS IS AN UNCONTROLLED WILD FIRE AFTER A CRASH ------ SO LET'S ALL BE PREPARED WHENEVER, WHEREVER FLYING --- TO PUT DOWN / STOP OR QUICKLY CALL FOR ASSISTANCE A CRASH INDUCED FIRE.

If you want to prove your flying / speed abilities go try racing.. try racing a closed course in heats with 5 other aircraft all capable of speeds in excess of 200 mph. Try keeping your aircraft, engine, radio equipment race ready for 10 heats one after the other, and remember that includes vibration produced from piston engines. When you've done this for a few years and dozens of events you will come to understand what a yawner lone high speed passes are and why. Obviously racing any aircraft is more of a safety hazard than most other forms of flying, and because of that fact the AMA which still sanctions racing events, preemptively has never allowed Jet aircraft racing. If the real feel of speed is what turns your crank get into racing while it's still around.
All have a safe flying season
Regards,
Lee H. DeMary
AMA 36099

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Full scale have limits only in very certain areas (which can be waived by ATC)...and the most important point (besides the point that none of that other stuff matters :eek:).....no other models have speed limits.