Scuba Tank
 

I picked up a used scuba tank to start my Ram at the Mississippi meet. I now need to have it filled. My local dive shop says that the Inspection is out of date and it will cost me $40 for the inspection every year. Do you guys have to do this every year? I told him that it was not used for dive but he said that it does not matter.

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High pressure tanks need to be inspected every 5 years. BUT not $40. Go find a firehouse and work with them. K

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There are 2 types of inspections for SCUBA tanks. The one you mentioned is done every year and it tests for pressure integrity. The other which is done every 5 years is an internal inspection of the tank and it is usually sent out somewhere and a special scope is used to check the inside of the tank.

Once a tank is designated as SCUBA is not supposed to be used for anything else. The shop can get into alot of trouble if they were to fill it without it being approved for safety.

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Why you complaining about 40 bucks a year, you had enough to buy that turbine didn't you?

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I start my RAM off of shop air pressure regularly.(115-120psi)
I don't even own a scuba tank.
Johnny

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Captainbob wrote:


Right on, give em heck Captainbob !

By the way, have you flown the F-100 yet?

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Equest,

You almost got it right. There are two inspection types. A VIP (Visual Inspection)that is normally done yearly and can be conducted by a full service dive shop. All they look for is internal rust. If there is any indication of rust they will recommend sending it away.

The second test is a hydrostatic test. They fill the tank and see how much the walls expand. This requires special equipment and machine. It is required every five years for a steel tank 3 years for aluminum. There is a stamp on the cylinder that indicates when the test was last conducted. If there is a + symbol next to the date it means the tank can be overfilled by 10%.

Another service is rolling the tank. They will fill a steel tank with abrasive and clean any accumulated rust. They will normally require a hydro after a roll because the thickness of the walls of the tank are thinned during the process.

Scuba tanks are very dangerous. Here are some rules

Do not leave a tank in the sun. A heated tank will quickly exceed its rated pressure. A tank exploding is huge explosion and if you are near it will maim or kill you.

Do not paint an aluminum tank with epoxy that then is cured in an oven. It changes the molecular structure of the aluminum. The tank will fail and explode when filled. Several people have been killed and maimed before this was figured out.

Alway leave at least 100psi in the tank. This keep moisture from entering the tank and causing rust

Alway store the tank in an upright position. If moisture has entered the tank and it is laid on its side the rust will quickly weaken the sidewall. The bottom of a tank has more material.

Never let the tank roll around in the car. Knocking the valve off will create a missile that will go through numerous block walls before stopping.

I think you are better off finding a different method for providing compressed air for starting your turbine.

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some people say rust, some say corrosion....




I just payed 12$ at wally world for a blue kerosene jug and thought to myself, 12$? you gotta be kiddin me...




If you wanna play ya gotta........

Scuba tank. air start system
 

I dont care what it takes I like the air start system. it is worth it to me for safety and reliability. the damn thing just starts every time. if I have to by a brand new scuba bottle then so be it. there are some people, no to mention Any names "Bob Price" who think it is stupid to carry this big heavy bottle around, but my answer is that I carry it once to the flight line and then fly 10 times, and then carry it back.. I honestly dont think that I will fly any thing but and air start turbine.I like having the control of it.


Doug Arnold

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I don't mind paying $40 to have it inspected. My son plays paint ball and he is never required to have any of those tanks inspected! I would rather be safe anyway though!



Thanks!

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I just love the way some people love to throw money around and think that just because a person buys something expensive then complains abt a rediculous price for a visual inspection on a scuba tank they just whining.

for one some of us struggle to buy large items saving up for a long time even getting a loan to get it now and pay over a long time :0) done that a couple times myself. Also $40 for a visual inspection is too much I only ever paid $10 a year for a visual and $50 every 5 years for my internal inspections.

I guess theres a new breed of RC out there now that turbines have come out and thats that I have seen a lot of turbine flyers (not all) seem to turn their noses up at everyone else even the DF guys not remembering most of them flew DF for years. I think its a class issue if you rich and can throw money around your better than everyone else who saves up and struggles to get stuff for their hobby. I just think its funny that in a hobby we all enjoy and all started the same place that like in the real world SOME (but not all) People with money always have to make Smarta@# remarks when some of us complain abt being ripped off by greedy kit makers and suppliers.

Joe

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RC turbine jets is not for the weak hearted or weak pocket booked. This stuff is expensive, there is no doubt about that. In addition, it's still RC airplanes. Anyone who has been in this hobby for a while knows how quickly stuff happens, and if an airplane is loss. $7K plus gone just like that - snap, one minute here, next minute gone. We know it's not "if you crash", it's just a matter of "when you crash". It happens to all of us at one point in time or another (sometime sooner rather than later).

If one stretched to your budgets endpoints to fly a RC turbine jet, and complaining about every dollar you spend, then this is probably not the part of the hobby for you. The best thing to do is to find a part of this hobby or another hobby that is more affordable for your budget.

How can one even enjoy this hobby constantly complaining, and whining about its cost all the time. OK, so your not rich, we ain't holding that against you guys. We don't want to hear you belly aching all the time. It's not about money, spend what you can afford, and if you can't afford it - you can't afford it, but stop the whining !

I'm not not whining because I can't afford the $25 million dollars it cost to hitch a ride on a Russian spaceship up to the international space station for a weeks vacation. I would love to do that, but it isn't going to happen.

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I could not have said it better myself.

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I dont think so much it is whining the guy was just making a comment abt the cost of inspecting the tank and a legit one it is outrageously priced even if you are a diver. I think a lot of it is the arragant nature of people that think if you arent rich you dont belong enjoying the same part of the hobby as everyone else. I aint rich and complain abt high costs but I make do in other ways. I dont waste my money on high dollar kits I scratch build my only high dollar is spent on engines and retracts and if i crash they can usually be fixed fairly easily. So if a person wants to "Whine" abt someone ripping them off that doesnt mean that they should not enjoy something that they want to. I gues same thing abt people whining can be said abt people acting so arragant that think if you arent rich enough not to ever complain abt the cost of something you shouldnt be enjoying the same part of the hobby.

Joe

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by six shooter


How can one even enjoy this hobby constantly complaining, and whining about its cost all the time. OK, so your not rich, we ain't holding that against you guys. We don't want to hear you belly aching all the time. It's not about money, spend what you can afford, and if you can't afford it - you can't afford it, but stop the whining !


I would have to aggree with Joe - I dont think he is "whining" about anything other than the few guys who keep posting things in the jets forum regarding the money issue.

A LOT of us are sick indeed - sick of the continual posts to guys who are just inquiring about certain costs, then get slammed with a smart alleck remark basically stating "if you have to ask - you cant afford it" type thing.

It goes both ways. Captain bob's comment doesnt contribute anything to the guy who had the original question so why not make fun of him?

RC jets are for ANYONE who can fly them safetly and enjoy them, and wants to buy one. Its not just for the "elite" or the rich man. You should be PROMOTING the hobby not trying to tell people unless they are independantly wealthy go find another hobby. Geesh...

AJC

scuba tank carriers
 

How does everyone tote their tanks and compressors and batteries around? Wagons? pics?

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HEY just take up scuba and kill two birds with one stone so to speak

Whining
 

So a guy wants to complain, so what?

Let me tell you, I've got a lot more respect for a guy who aspires to achieve something and figures out how to do it on a budget than someone who can write checks all day.

Scuba Tank
 

I just picked up my tank last wednesday after having it hydro tested. I paid $34. That included a visual inspection prior to the hydro, the hydro test and an air fill. Normally the visual is $8 and airfill is $4 so that means they are charging me $22 for the hydro test. The $40 they were trying to charge is a ripoff and I'd be complaining too. I have used my tank for many things for years as well as diving. There's nothing illegal about using a tank for other purposes. I got a used regulator that my instructor/technician wasn't willing to pass for scuba use and I use it for a portable air source all the time. It works great for an air source for my airbrush as the air is completely dry and lasts forever for painting. When I was racing dirt late models I could mount and fill 8 tires from a single tank and these were pretty big tires. I carry my tank with me whenever we use the motorhome or take the boat out as a slow leak could be topped off every so often till I could get the tire fixed properly. The uses are endless. One issue however is that noone should be able to get an airfill unless they show a dive certification card. Filling a tank for an uncertified person is illegal even if they aren't using it for diving.
Later,,,basmntdweller

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Proflooney and Alcoholic.

You guys seem to think that you have some kind of right to criticise the guys that may be fortunate enough to be able to afford this hobby with a seemingly unlimited budget. It is too bad that life has dealt you the cards that have been dealt but some of us have also worked our asses off to get to the point that we can afford to buy, in your words expensive kits. Some of us do truly believe that there is value in those kits just like some people believe there is value in a Porsche, or a fine bottle of wine. Maybe some of us choose NOT to scratch build and choose not to fly the cheapest, and simplest plane that is around. But just like Six Shooter I believe it is about time you quit criticising the manufacturers, and modelers that really don't mind paying....what you have determined as high prices. What is a high price to you may be a very good value to me. Is it expensive, yes but relative to what?

BTW Diving can be a very expensive hobby as well. Just price a dive trip to the Cayman Islands some time.

DR

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DavidR

I think you need to take another look at the posts. No one is criticizeing people that are foprtunate to afford anything they want. Also I dont think a lot of people work their asses off any more than the rest of us. Geographic location and communities detyermine wages etc. What we are criticiseing is those modellers that can afford it and seem to have a holier than thou attitude towards those that cant just because someone asked a question and was concerned he was being ripped off which he was.

No one cares who wants to buy expensivce kits and who wants to scratch build. hell im not dumb enough to believe that everyone has the room to scratch build nor everyone the skills or desire to.

What we were commenting on is the stuckup few that have to antagonize and demean everyone else that may not have money to throw out all at once by telling us that we dont belong and that if we cant write blank checks we need to find another end of the hobby. So reread before you post then you will realize your mistake.

Joe

PS But just like diving and other hobbies, if you cannot afford all at once you can still enjoy the sport or hobby by buying a little at a time and just because you choose to do that or can only afford to do that doesnt mean you dont deserve the same degree of respect as those that can pay outright.

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Why is it a ridiculous price? Obviously the scuba shop is not supposed to make any money at it. It may take an hour to do a visual inspection, more time if they have to hydro test it. What is your time worth??

Class issue....Oh poor me!!! Sorry but this just reeks of sour grapes.

Do you not think that some of us consider the constant *****ing about prices as smart ass remarks???

Three quotes from just one of your posts. FWIW as well, some of the guys that you are talking to/about in the last couple of threads have been in this end of the hobby for a long time. We are well aware of the costs and what it takes to field a turbine powered jet. Some of us have even been unfortunate enough to lose one of those expensive, and time consuming models. The tone that guys like yourself are giving off is that we are fools to spend the kind of money we do on our airplanes. I for one have never criticised you or aj for what you chose to fly. I am glad that there are jets out there for guys to fly that are inexpensive but for some that is not the only criteria when selecting a model. Some of us don't just look at the price tag, some of us look at the model and say to ourselves that is a nice subject to model and I am going to build it. Some of the recent threads have been very negative towards BVM specifically, yes his kits are high priced, but I think I speak for most of the guys that have bought one (or more) of his airplanes when I say that we think it is a good value.

Consider this..... If the market will bear BVM selling his jets at the price he does (and he sells a lot of kits) then obviously people think they are worth the money. Do you think BVM should drop his prices, even though he is making money.... just so everyone can afford them? I hope he continues to make money so he continues to design model jets.

We all don't need an education on economics and budjeting in every thread when someone *****es about the price.

DR

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David,
Once again, let me PLEASE express my opinion in a way which you cannot turn it around into something else...

#1- I have never had a problem with anyone wishing to spend whatever amounts of $$ they care to on anything they wish to. Its not my $$ and I shouldnt care.

#2- I do not complain about the prices of things, whether I CAN afford them or NOT. Its my choice as a consumer to buy what I want if I choose to.

#3- This is NOT a "BVM" thing, which you allways revert to. This is an issue about continually posting snide remarks which do absolutely NOTHING helpfull to the poor guy who asked the question in the first place. These types of comments which usually say someting along the lines of "shut up and buy MY brand of jet, MY brand of turbine and quit asking these stupid questions..". You may think you are helping out but you arent. You are merely continuing to show a lot of us what kind of unhelpfull comments you can spew out. I may be new to jets, but I personally have been flying RC planes (I fly everything from 1/2A to Giant Scale and Helis too) since 1983 and I have a bit of experience myself. I dont need some guy telling me how to have fun in the hobby, or how to be sucessfull. Why have such a chip on your shoulder towards the people that ask any question you may deem beneath you to answer? Give up the sarcastic , unhelpfull comments and I bet you will see a lot less of our comments in return.

Andrew J. Coholic

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Andrew,

Well said, my man.

For the life of me I don't understand why someone can't ask a simple question and get a simple answer on this forum.

On the other hand, if you ask for opinions, be prepared for all kinds and don't be quick to condemn someone for giving you exactly what you asked for.. an opinion, whether it is worthwhile or not.


Gene

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Hey, Hey Hey,,,,,,,,,Put that big stir stick DOWN!.....Hee Hee :D