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What plane do I have to learn on before I can fly a jet?

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Something Fast or something Heavy.. Propjets are helpful as long as they will pop 100 or so, also pattern or sport pattern planes such as the world models intruder or similar.. Also if you can fly a Gas Warbird you will probably be able to fly jets with success because you will be used to wing loading and not being able just to chop the throttle from 100ft high and land... Russ

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I have a gas p40 If I master that will I be able to fly a jet?

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No one particular prop model can prepare you for jet flying, BUT flying experience does. Fly as many planes as you can, and as many types as you can, then go to www.flypcm.com and build the AV8R, a not so pretty plane but the best turbine trainer, super heavy duty for grass fields, very forgiving and reasonably priced.

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I whant to go straight to a scale jet because im on a budget and cant afford more than one jet.

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My advice is to browse as much as you can RCU and other fonts of information in the internet to see which models are the most popular around the world as trainer jets.. meanwhile a good starting point is a fast pattern ship. If you can fly it and land consistently and smoothly for a season, you are likely able to solo a turbine powered airplane. Another suggestion is to fly a jet in a r/c flight simulator with the auto zoom feature turned off , to get some idea of what you are getting into... ;)

Best regards, Enrique

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Thanks for the help enrique. Would I beable to go from my p40 to a jet?

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I was flying 40 size war birds, mostly ARFS with YS FZ91 right before I got into jets.


JasonP

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dude, you are way out of your league, and are not going thru this properly.
you are on a budget? if I have read all of your posts previously all over RCU,
you dont even fly? you are looking at sims, and dont which one?

you have a P40, that you have to wait till Xmas. it is a smaller one, that is
GLO powered, not gas. big difference, as its a small prop plane, and not a heavy
wing loaded Warbird.

I sometime will go to a turbine. I have alot of heavy wingloaded warbird flight time.
but I am not going to jump straight into a SCALE jet, as that is what I would like to do.
BUT, that is not the proper approach here. If and when I decide to, I may go with one
of Pat's Dv8R's or something else similar. who knows, but I wouldnt attempt to go out
and jump into a Super Hornet just cause I know how to fly a warbird?

a budget you say, you better stick with what you have, because you arent going to afford
the jet stuff:eek:

**edit** I see Jason just posted above me about going to jets from small warbirds.
there are exceptions to the rule, but you have to put in your dues before you want to
think about jumping straight to a jet, without even mastering a trainer, let along a warbird

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I was thinking of buying the jl gripen cause I can afford it and the warbird I have has high wing loading. Ive seen tons of people go straight into scale jets from a prop.

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Mikmaxx,


Ive been flying jets for only 2 years now...I too wanted to fly a scale plane to start out with. I opted for the F-15...still flies great. Its been a good starter for me as far as scale planes go.

Mike

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You know, I don't know if you will ever be successful in RC much less jets. You show zero ability to search things out for yourself. There is a LOT of info on this site pertaining to this VERY question, as well as 99% of the questions you've asked before. If you can't take a minute to do SOME research on your own, you will never have a jet completed properly as you'll always be waiting for somebody else to do it for you. A P40 is not going to give you success in learning to fly much less get you ready for jets. A PT40 trainer is a good place to start, then something like a 4 star 40, then maybe a quickie 500, then your P40, then maybe a fast pattern bird or a sport pylon plane, THEN maybe a jet. People have spent valuable time on this site over the years answering questions time and again. I myself wrote a long thread about getting started in jets.

The bottom line is, PATIENCE is key in RC modelling, you have to have the right attitude to be successful, waiting for everything to be handed to you on a silver platter is NOT the right attitude. From reading your other posts, you don't have instructors where you are, you are an "expert" with 2 channel park fliers but you crashed your park flier in the river. You want a sim or a 3 channel plane for xmas.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to see you be successful in RC modelling, and then in RC Jets, but dude, you REALLY have to sit back, and do things the right way. If you're on as much of a budget as you say you are, I don't know how you're going to get a turbine jet successfully flying.

Again, use the search feature, there are TONS of threads about the questions you are asking, I already tried pointing them out to you in another of your threads, so I'm not going to do it again, you can call me a jerk if you want to, but I really am just trying to get you in the mindset you'll need to learn to fly RC.

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Dont worry lgm im not mad at you in any way shape or form. I know how you feel dealing with the annoying under dog I had to deal with the under dog when I knew alot about rc cars. Anyways no worrys ill try my hardest to take your advice. Its all good.;)

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I don't see you as an under dog, we all had to start somewhere. I'm just wondering where you really want to get to, where you are now, and what your plans for getting to jets is. It just comes across as though you're not really serious about what you want to do. Sorry if you are, just my impression.
Honestly, use the search function, this is one of few forums where the search works very well. I do wish you the best of luck, but keep one thing in mind, building jets on a budget is not the best way to be successful, yes you can do it, but typically the less you spend, the more work that is involved in assembling, operating and maintaining everything, for all that, you need experience.

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MikMaxx
It really depends on your skill level.The jets are no different than any other airplane.
Switching from prop planes to jets will involve a learning curve such as familiarizing yourself with the type of power, turbine electronics and plumming, turbine lag,higher speeds, etc...
If you are new to them, it might be wise to start with a plane with a lighter wing loading and more foregiving charactoristics to ease the learning curve of the already complicated machine.
Generally Scale jets will not fall into that category.
It is cheaper to retire a sport jet and moving the hardware to a scale jet, rather than hurting your equipment on you firt jet.
Good Luck

Jason Pakfar

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Im seriusly into rc and the only reason I got into planes was to get into jets. My plan was to learn my trainer then buy a low winged aircraft and then buy a jet of course after Ive experienced flight for a couple of years.

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Well that's a good place to start, so my suggestion would be, take those couple years to learn to fly, and save your money, in a couple more years I guarantee there will be new product on the market, and probably better stuff for less money than there is now. As time goes by the technology gets less expensive. When the first turbines arrived, they were $5000 for 7 or 8 lbs of thrust, now you can buy 30lbs of thrust almost for $3000. Turbine models are less expensive in many cases than DF models were 10 years ago. In the next 2 or 3 years a lot can change, don't give up on wanting a jet, but be patient, learn to fly, and save your money to be able to get what you WANT, not what you can settle for.

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Just wondering is jet joe shut down I cant get a hold of them

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I doubt they're shut down already, but that's one reason right there why I wouldn't buy a Jet Joe, who knows if they'll exist tomorrow, and if they don't, who's going to warranty or repair their engines? It's not a slam at jet joe, but when an engine is being sold for less than half of the competitions, they're going to lack something somewhere.

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Yeah jetjoe is going to be lacking competitors soon!!:D:D

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Anytime, and what P-40 you have and what engine is on it?


Enrique

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Also you need to consider, (I am a turbine CD), that if you want to fly at any sanctioned field or any sanctioned event here in country, you are going to have to get the waiver and take a flying test and sign an affidavit that you have flown a high perfomance aircraft for a certain number of flights.

You have been given good advice. You can look up requirements on the AMA site in the PDF Docs. Slow down here. I only fly turbine heli's and can only afford one. I would never consider flying a fixed wing turbine with my skills on planks, and I am a waiver cd. As a waiver CD, the most important thing I look for is awareness then ability. These things can be very, very dangerous if not treated properly and respected for the power they indeed posess.

I also noticed another thread that I haven't read yet about "cheapest" something or other. The jet world is not a place to look for the "cheapest" anything, but instead for the best product for the buck, safety, long term reliability, and the success of others. Big step to go to turbines, why skip the steps that make the flights successful?

I am not trying to burst your balloon, just make you step back and look at the whole forest, not just one tree.
Jack

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mik, probably the same you posted that you needed a trainer to train you to fly a trainer. acording to your previous post in your profile. people beware of this bogus thread. quote from the beginners forum under dynaflight butterfly

Actually 5 minutes ago I just lost me park flyer to a river . Will the sky pilot be better than the butter fly?

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Im an expert on 2channel park flyers and I am going to get a simultor for christmas and maybe a a 3channel aircraft will this teach me to fly my trainer?
Thanks for the help.

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Is this plane good for a begginer. Will it train me for a trainer?

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Mikmaxx,

If you are for real, which seems very unlikely at this point, stop wasting yours and our time. There are lots of reasons I can think of for you to stay far away from jets, not the least of which is the safety of others and the safety of the rest of our ability to fly our planes. After reading your posts, I doubt that you're actually going to buy a jet, but just in case you do---please do yourself and the rest of us a big favor and LISTEN TO THESE GUYS!!! They're not dogging you.

Just so you know, I'm not dogging you, either. I am a teacher, and teaching people to fly, and helping them get into the hobby has been something I have loved to do for a long time. I spend a lot of time and energy doing things that enrich the lives of kids. I think it's GREAT that a kid your age is interested in flying. Hell, my nephew was only 13 when he got his turbine waiver! Seeing him fly a jet was the coolest thing ever, but he had good help and he listened to the people who knew what they were doing.

If you really have any hope of succeeding in this or any sport/hobby, you have to be willing to listen and learn!