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RE: Fl Jets Issues - part II
ORIGINAL: strawboss ORIGINAL: ghost_rider ROFLMAO.....that's a good one. Another Daniel has come to judgment. Sorry bud but I do not play the race game. I abhor it. Here you go….English Literature 101. Read it up and you will get a kick out of it. "A Daniel has come to judgement! O, wise and upright judge." (Shylock: THE MERCHANT OF VENICE by Shakespeare Scene Three) |
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ORIGINAL: ghost_rider ["A Daniel has come to judgement! O, wise and upright judge." (Shylock: THE MERCHANT OF VENICE by Shakespeare Scene Three) Was I the only one confused? I have heard the name Shakespeare before....but cant really say that I know why! Sorry, Im a hockey player. Dave |
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Dave,
Praise the Lord that I am on the outside too. I have no idea what all the "Daniel" bafoonery is all about....... Gostrider, Should I be offended? Or is your drivel gospel? I think that you should sit down, take a pill, put yourself in a happy place and visualize a happy jet rally with you and Frank flying side by side........................ [:-] Judge not lest thee shall be judged, John |
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As a first time participant of the Florida Jets, I thought Frank did a great job.
It was an experience I will never forget. I run the LA jets in California and I can tell you that it takes a man of talent and determination to run an event in this scope. We will be there for the next event. All the Best Jason Pakfar |
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I would repeat that except for the already aforementioned problems concerning sign-up issues - Florida jets is one of the safest events there is. I would also point out that Lakeland Linder Airport authorities are fully aware of what is going on with the models. The aircraft in question were in-fact not there for the majority of the event, and certainly not when the flight line was being set up, but rather were parked there on Saturday - by the Airport - not Florida Jets, so why does anyone here need to discuss that. Again everything was done in full compliance with the airport authorities. Also, someone mentioned Landing Lights - there were none along the approximately 1200 feet of main runway used by the models - they were removed (paid for by FT) prior to the event.
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RE: Fl Jets Issues - part II
BAFOONERY
Thats my new favorite word!:) Thanks John, now I have something else to heckle at Kenny this weekend in Tuscon............its a heck of alot easier then throwing some Shakespear at him. See you there, Dave |
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ORIGINAL: cactusflyer Should I be offended? John Absolutely not my friend. It was a figure of speach with pun intended. ORIGINAL: cactusflyer I think that you should sit down, take a pill, put yourself in a happy place and visualize a happy jet rally with you and Frank flying side by side........................ Best Reagards Ben |
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ORIGINAL: fly109 For what its worth, there has always been a banner wall at Florida Jets since the very first one, and it has always been far enough off the runway that it is in no way a problem to all but a few pilots who have run way off the runway. The still photos of Florida Jets are deceptive in that they do not give proper perspective to any of the suposed obstacles. I have been attending Jet meets for over tweleve years and anyone who thinks that Florida Jets was poorly run or dangerous is, well. . .Wrong, flat wrong. There is a REASON, that events like Florida Jets and Top Gun are such heavily attended, prime events - it is because of The effort Frank puts into them - period. Why do threads like the one that got all this started, need to go so over-the-top in their accusational nature when a mistake was noticed, admitted to, and then the corrective action to be taken was mentioned. Isn't this the evolutionary process that has been going on in this hobby since its inception? Isn't that how we make this sport better and safer? I think Frank is to be commended on what he has done not only for the hobby in general but for Jet modeling as well. People are talking about "this action" or "that mistake" as if what is going on line here is some how above it all. Personally, I think this internet chatter can, and will do as much damage to our sport as anything that can be done in the field. I think blaming "internet chatter" for any damage to our sport is really lame, I don't beleive that for a second. Superman was not cancelled due to "internet chatter". If FT has to pay any penalty due to the events at FJ, it will not be due to "internet chatter". Yes, SOME people might seem "over the top" in their accusational tones against Frank Tiano...and I suspect it is because they absolutely do NOT accept his explanation about 18 guys flying without waviers at face value. I think there are a LOT of guys out there who are raising their eyebrows at the whole thing, and thinking that he just turned a blind eye to the situation so that these guys could fly, and that he is being less than forthright. Me, I have no judgement on the matter, I wasn't there, but that's the elephant standing in the middle of the coffee table in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge. Now that that is out in the open, what can you say about it? Some guys are going to believe Frank, and some are not. You can go back and forth about it for another five hundred posts, and probably won't convince anybody either way. |
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obviously too many pucks to the head-ehhh!- sorry could't resist[sm=bananahead.gif]
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ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. guys a fact is a fact AT NO EVENT SHOULD A MODEL BE FLYING OVER CARS OR AIRCRAFT the risk is too high and sooner or later the what if , DOES HAPPEN!:D Top Gun, at the Polo Grounds, ALL the flying was over cars and houses. THAT was a problem. MANY houses got hit. One homeowner even put up barrage balloons...literally...to stop the flying after their house got hit multiple times. |
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who and when planes were parked there is irrelevant they should never be flown near and flying should have stopped untill they were PERIOD! do you know who would have been responsible if one was hit? -you can beleive it would not be the airport -FACT![sm=confused.gif]
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ET,
I guess thats my point, the Elephant standing on the coffe table (IMHO) at THIS point are these threads. I DO know Frank, and possibly know him better than most everyone on this site. I know how big Florida Jets is and I know that one, or even a handfull of guys cannot cover all of the tasks, big and small that are required to make an event like FJ work. Frank admitted he made a mistake, and has announced he will not have that problem again and thats good enough for me. Frank is not the knid of guy to "let things go" on purpose, his attention to detail is evident in his shows. I guess I find it odd that anyone, would suggest that FT of all people would intentionally or otherwise let the sport that he has done so much to support, get hurt. |
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ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. obviously too many pucks to the head-ehhh!- sorry could't resist[sm=bananahead.gif] |
RE: Fl Jets Issues - part II
making a list of rights and wrongs would not be a good idea because any of the wrongs out-weighs the rights 100 to 1
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Here's my two cents worth... what you guys bashing and moaning a hard working organiser don't seem to realise is this column is not your private back yard to air your personal vendettas , it is an international news paper read by thousands of people all over the world including the F.A.A and the C. A.A. in europe. as has been proved in the past.....yes they DO have the time,and the people and resources to monitor what is going on in any place that might effect air safety in any way at all particularly at airports, and the mere hint of any unsafe practises with anything that flies is within their duristiction.. all this back biting nonsense that has been written about a wonderful RC flying event, probably the best in the world.. will come back and bite you in the ***** ..just as fast as you can type it... if you think your are being clever trying to show your intelligence with intellectual quotes starting with Rolling On The Floor Laughing My ***** Off, you are not much more clever than my eight year old nephew who knows exactly what it means.......in short the whole world is laughing at your stupidity , germany Bahrein, France, Singapore, England, South Africa the Globe..... and IT IS time to put a stop to it !!!!! I wouldn't like to meet the man who was directly to blame for putting the brakes on jet flying in this country..... just because he had a big mouth on a computer screen........with respect .Malcolm Kay
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thank you very much! it was to easy you left the door wide open i'm suprised there was no piling on as there always is everywhere else. you could have been the new target. at least it lightened things up a bit [sm=RAINFRO.gif]
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ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. who and when planes were parked there is irrelevant they should never be flown near and flying should have stopped untill they were PERIOD! do you know who would have been responsible if one was hit? -you can beleive it would not be the airport -FACT![sm=confused.gif] |
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there is no reasonable risk when it comes to safety and we are not talking about foamies but 200mph -50#jets there is a huge diff.- I WILL ALWAYS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY![sm=punching.gif]
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RE: Fl Jets Issues - part II
ORIGINAL: Malcolm Kay Here's my two cents worth... what you guys bashing and moaning a hard working organiser don't seem to realise is this column is not your private back yard to air your personal vendettas , it is an international news paper read by thousands of people all over the world including the F.A.A and the C. A.A. in europe. as has been proved in the past.....yes they DO have the time,and the people and resources to monitor what is going on in any place that might effect air safety in any way at all particularly at airports, and the mere hint of any unsafe practises with anything that flies is within their duristiction.. all this back biting nonsense that has been written about a wonderful RC flying event, probably the best in the world.. will come back and bite you in the ***** ..just as fast as you can type it... if you think your are being clever trying to show your intelligence with intellectual quotes starting with Rolling On The Floor Laughing My ***** Off, you are not much more clever than my eight year old nephew who knows exactly what it means.......in short the whole world is laughing at your stupidity , germany Bahrein, France, Singapore, England, South Africa the Globe..... and IT IS time to put a stop to it !!!!! I wouldn't like to meet the man who was directly to blame for putting the brakes on jet flying in this country..... just because he had a big mouth on a computer screen........with respect .Malcolm Kay Superman was NOT cancelled due to "internet chatter", though some tried to blame it on that. Nobody really wants to say WHY it was cancelled, but it was because the FAA denied a permit to close the airport. They did this before there WAS any "internet chatter". And if AMA or FAA or anybody else has a problem with Florida Jets, or wants to pull Frank's CD endorsement, or Lakeland does not want the event next year, or WHATEVER, it will NOT be due to "INTERNET CHATTER", it will SIMPLY be due to FRANK TIANO failing to check the waviers as was his job to do. Me, personally, I feel it's between AMA and FT, whatever THEY want to do about it, it's up to them. There is a system in place just for this, if they want to pursue it, let the system work, and FT can get his chance to defend himself. But don't even THINK of trying to blame ANYTHING on some web forum, it does NOT work that way. Sorry. |
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Patric
Could one of you come out and tell the truth on how Frank found out about the turbine waiver mistake and where it originated from?. For the uninformed, Frank did not discover the mistake himself. It all originated from the off line discussion between myself and John C. Let us not dance around the truth, let us call it the way it happened. I regret that the whole case has been blown out of proportion because of some of the spins associated with the first post. I hope we all learned from it and hopefully would handle it differently in the future. Again, this whole case was being discussed off line with anticipation of it being handled diplomatically b/4 it was made public by the event organizer without adequate consultation. |
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it's not cancelling its stopping to make the correct move
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ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. there is no reasonable risk when it comes to safety and we are not talking about foamies but 200mph -50#jets there is a huge diff.- I WILL ALWAYS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY![sm=punching.gif] |
RE: Fl Jets Issues - part II
ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. there is no reasonable risk when it comes to safety and we are not talking about foamies but 200mph -50#jets there is a huge diff.- I WILL ALWAYS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY![sm=punching.gif] We've had a car in the parking lot of our club field get an aircraft right through the center of the windshield, but we all still park in the parking lot because the risk of that happening again is low and thus "reasonable." Those full-scale aircraft were inanimate, replacable objects placed a respectable distance from the normal flight path (and behind a fence) such that the possibility of them being hit was very remote and if they did, insurance (either theirs or ours) would have covered it. I never saw any people out there near those aircraft and it there were, I'm sure that steps would have been taken to clear them out. Dang it, I said I wan't going to get into this again! Later... |
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ORIGINAL: G.KERR JR. obviously too many pucks to the head-ehhh!- sorry could't resist[sm=bananahead.gif] That explains a lot! Any I always thought it was all of the sword fighting Dave does?!:D I'm glad you asked what it meant and not me. |
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you guys are obviously never going to let facts and reality confuse your judgement ![sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
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