MALLORCA JETS INCIDENT ??
 

Anyone have any information about the Airworld Hawk that crashed, piloted by the WJM champ ?

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yes is true, it was a elevator servo failure .

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According to discussions in the RC forum from Spain there is also mention of a F5 that caught on fire during flight but the pilot managed to land(mentioned somewhere else here in RCU) and a Boomerang XL hit a pole and crashed creating a fire that was extinguished by firefighters. There is also a mention of a F-18 that suffered a flameout and was badly damaged. In all cases there was only damage to the planes. Other than that, the sentiment amongst the participants that intervine in the Forum is that it was a great show.


http://www.miliamperios.com/foro/vie...26885&start=90


Pedro

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How much more would 8511s have cost!! [:@]

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Hmmmmm. The "Mallorca Incidence"

Jets crash all the time, but this one is an incidence ;)

I heard that Thomas had a servo failure and crashed a plane out of a loop. Judging from the photo, the plane was safely flown on the far side of the runway where it crashed. Nothing safety related to this one.

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I've been a long time JR flyer, but a new 8611A installed on my yet to be flown(lucky) ARF Bobcat elevator lasted about 15 minutes of bench testing before it died......just quit working.....no jitters or hard over......

Expert pilot Tom Dodgen from BVM damaged his KingCat at the recent Mississippi Meeting when a fairly new 8611A on one of his elevator halves failed and he was unable to flare properly for landing......took out flex plates and the nose cone......

Heard of several other 8611A failures here in the states recently.....don't know what's going on......probably coincidental......

I was going to upgrade my Kingcat from 2 year old 8411's to 8611A's but now plan to hold tight as the 8411's have been flawless....

I do have 5945 MG's on the speed brake and nose gear of my Eurosport(8611's on the elevons and rudder) and so far, they have all been perfect.......

Tom

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Bottom line is, we just cant win with this. $h1t happens all the time, if its not one thing its another. I don't think that a better servo would've solve the problem, I've had the best of the best fail so, it is what it is..........

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yea ......I heard the world champ was flying the hawk, when due to electrical and structural failure ,hit a buffalo instantly setting it on fire, sent it running into a road were a school bus suarved out of the way and hit head on a triple decker bus, so far the body count is up to 210 or so, as everyone watched in disbelief... o and thanks to the fire extinguishers the buffalo survived

george

sorry for my sick sence of humor just couldn't hold back, this is not a true story.

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First we hear nothing about this crash, or the event really.

......Then its Crashes at the event.

Then Pilot error :-


Then -:

This is neither Prompt nor precise.

...At the time of the crash through either pilot error or servo failure the plane was not near the crowds /public. Thank God.

David.

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Really and so genuinely sorry to hear about the crash, this was an excellent model and an excellent pilot, and it showed off the leading edge of this wonderful hobby brilliantly, it is a real shame.:(

I wan't there and I am not casting any judgements, but it proves that no matter how meticulous, proven, capable and sophisticated or experienced things can go wrong whether this was pilot error or equipment failure is rather a mute point, the issue is it went wrong enough to destroy the world champion model.

No one was hurt, it seems that it was away from the crowd, and the only injuries are the wallet.

Thus from my soapbox on safety, this was an unhappy incident but one which we can reflect, the model would appear to have been flying in a considered safe manner and the margin of error sufficient to ensure safety prevailed when something went wrong.

So all the guys out there yelling at people suggesting that their abilities are so good we should not worry, LOOK what happened to one of the nicest and capable guys in the world, so don't think for one split second it wont happen to you, just ensure your flying with "margin for error" and we can all lament the demise of your model. It aint rocket science.

So, will we see another from this pilot and team for the next world masters? I do hope so, it is rotten for it to have gone, but this is the hobby, It happens.

Here endeth the lesson;)

So a few rotten bits of info on crashes and the most unusual tailcone issue, what about all the good at Mallorca, its a great event and usually sunny, come on guys lets find out about the good stuff!!!!

Gazzer

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It's always depressing to hear that one of the Jet Gods crashed. What does that say about the chances of us ordinary mortals to keep our planes in one piece? Not much.

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i want some volz alustar servos

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i heard he did well to avoid a local school!!!!!!!!!
at least it shows it can happen to even the best pilot
shame though

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is this whats going to happen when anyone ever crashes ?? are they going to get taken apart here on RCU ?? crashes happen, actually, ALL OF YOU will at one point or another crash. Some due to parts failure, others due to pilot error.

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Hi guys!

I have been at the Mallorca jet-event. I wouldn't say it was a pilots error. He had enough altitude for a loop, just a slight breeze of tailwind, but no elevator-function. He would have crashed it upwind too. I hate people guessing about issues, they don't know about. I might be wrong, but I have talked to Thomas an hour after the crash.

BR,

David

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I fail to see where discussion of this accident is going. No one has reported any poor judgment on the pilot's part or any poor building that contributed to the accident. Someone crashed a plane away from spectators out in a field. That's the way it is supposed to happen.

It is irrelevant that the incident was not reported to the modeling community faster. It is also irrelevant that the pilot started and ended the loop downwind. Information such as this may be significant in investigating a full scale accident, but it is of no use in enhancing model safety. We don't need to protect anyone onboard the model, only those on the ground watching it fly. As long as a model plane is flown in a manner that does not jeapordize those on the ground, then the pilot can do whatever he wants and crash as much as he wants (hear that Woj ;) )

The only thing this accident shows is that model airplanes, even the best ones flown by the best pilots, eventually crash. Heck, most of us knew that already. From this conclusion we extrapolate that models must thus be flown in a manner that does not cause potential harm to people. Et voila, Socrates est un chat.

Antony

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Look's that now every crash will become an incident. Yea!!! and the ama will run behind us with the non jet flyers. Remember the accident in Hungary, was that plane a jet? In my Island a kid was killed by an rc-boat. 2 real different cases where peoples life were gone. But please don't make any crash an indicent. There was another thread where show what not to do with a jet. Again a good flying Mig-29 that land safely. What you think of those 3D aerobatic giants that hover just few inches from ground? and always is a guy under the plane trying to touch the stabs. If the engine quit? or if the plane land on top of that guy? Will be also an incident?
Come on, safety matters at all times, lets keep it simple. Accident do happens and is our part to try to minimise them. My 2 cents.

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i think i might have a few of those coming soon, as its been almost 200 flights since i last crashed, its about time again :D:D

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i will help you...
1 take out the quartz
2 hit it with a hammer
3 go fly!

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The joys of a 'Public Forum' . . . . Full of opinions, good and bad.

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"Thats the way its supposed to happen"

No. This is like saying "Oh, by the way when you realize that you are out of control and going to crash , make sure it happens away from the crowd"

David.

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Guys

I’m really pissed off right now. Last night, I took my HotSpot for a quick flight b/4 heading out to Bluegrass Jet event today and on take off it rolled right and all attempts to correct the slow right roll with full left aileron deflection was unsuccessful and nobody here even found it important to post it here (lol). Needless to say the whole front of the airplane got busted up but the wings sustained minor damage. I just do not like the notion that only the crashes that get reported here are the one from the famous. When will folks like us ever get recognition?

Anyway, I have HS wings and NIB fins now for anybody that is interested to have at a reasonable price.

BTW, the ailerons were not reversed, we checked it after the crash and the cause of the crash is still a mystery.

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For what it's worth... I attended a helicopter event recently (my first) where 2 of the top US flyers were flying what they call 3D. It was by far the most dangerous
looking form of RC I've ever witnessed. A lock-out or component failure could have caused real damage.

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Hey Ghost,

Sorry to hear of your demise, are you sure it wasn't deliberate to get a mention here?!!!!!!:)

If you get no interest stateside in your fins and bits, I may be interested from the UK, (hoping your on Paypal), if no one is interested blast me a PM and I will respond!!!

Very sorry to hear this.

Gazzer

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Ben my friend, I am not sure when you will get around to being reorganized, but we recognize your contributions every day :D

Treadstone, don't read into my response what is not there. I said nothing about condoning being out of control. What I said was that no one has reported any poor judgement on the pilot's part. In other words it appears that he was flying in a responsible manner away from the crowd. But to get to your point even more, I view experimentation with different flight envelopes as a perfectly permissible aspect of flying a model. Obviously we need to exercise care to avoid harm to people or property when either flight testing or hot-doggin' it. Does this mean that I condone either of these two behaviors at a public event? Absolutely not!

By the way, I also don't view flight testing or hot-doggin' as flying out of control, if done responsibly. Out of control to me is where you haven't thought through the consequences or you don't have the, dare I say it, skill to address the resulting flight situation. I believe Sean Tucker said that his aerobatic routine has significantly reduced actual risk with lots of perceived risk. When you get really good at doing a maneuver, bringing it lower to the ground should only increase actual risk marginally.

Antony