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Thud_Driver 09-05-2006 03:19 PM

The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Full range 2.4 GHz with telemetry coming in October with modules for JR, Futaba & Hitec:

http://www.xtremepowersystems.net/xtremelink.php

Terry Holston 09-05-2006 04:47 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Will that 1.5" RX antenna inside a carbon fiber fuselage work? If so Great!

JimDrew 09-05-2006 04:54 PM

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That is a good question! We will not know for 100% certain until we finish testing this type of setup. Right now, we can fully enclose the receiver in carbon fiber and it works, but the range has to be limited. By how much, we don't know yet. However, thinking ahead, the receiver (as well as the transmitter modules) have the ability to have and externally mounted antenna.

Terry Holston 09-05-2006 04:57 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Price for a 10 channel JR set up????

Billy 09-05-2006 05:03 PM

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That is great news. I hope it works. Keep us informed.

grbaker 09-05-2006 05:08 PM

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Sounds like another "must have" item to scribble on my list.

Thud_Driver 09-05-2006 05:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: JimDrew
However, thinking ahead, the receiver (as well as the transmitter modules) have the ability to have and externally mounted antenna.
That would be great!

mikehannah 09-05-2006 05:36 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Hi
I am puzzled. If SS is viable why did Futaba invest a big wad of cash developing 2048 technology. If this works as advertised it has just rendered PCM in any form obsolete. On the other hand it might answer another question that has been puzzling me. Why hasnt JR come out with their version of the 14MZ?
Maybe Futaba got completely wrong footed in mis read the SS technology time line and JR got it right and kept their powder dry.
I will watch developments with interest.

Mike


Vincent 09-05-2006 06:02 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
That antenna on the JR tx module would not well with a tray type tx holder like i use for flying. V..

daftpunk 09-05-2006 06:08 PM

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And just tell me why you would need telemetry? Is it to see how fast / high / what g the aircraft is pulling. If so how long before the powers that be say 'well if you can gather this information we should be imposing limits on your flying' !! BEWARE!

rcguy! 09-05-2006 06:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: daftpunk

And just tell me why you would need telemetry? Is it to see how fast / high / what g the aircraft is pulling. If so how long before the powers that be say 'well if you can gather this information we should be imposing limits on your flying' !! BEWARE!
OH Brother! Give me a break!

Sign me up for one from the first shipment of Futaba units!

"I'll risk an eye!"

Dave "not looking over MY shoulder" Rigotti

Thud_Driver 09-05-2006 07:38 PM

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Check out the prices in this thread. If this stuff works, they will have the market overnight.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566018

mr_matt 09-05-2006 11:20 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Wow, only 390,000 pilots at a time, I was hoping for 400,000 at least ;-)

Thud_Driver 09-05-2006 11:29 PM

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Matt,

This isn't anything that came out of the 16 ch system you guys were playing with eons ago was it??

Under $180 for module & 8 ch Rx. Receivers at PPM prices. Will be worth the bucks just to play with it.

Rick

mr_matt 09-06-2006 12:00 AM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 


ORIGINAL: Thud_Driver

This isn't anything that came out of the 16 ch system you guys were playing with eons ago was it??


No. However, I think I talked to one of these guys a few months ago at Buttonwillow.

I will admit I was skeptical (still am) when I first read about this (a claim of 390K simultaneous users does not help!) but they at least comment on a "spherical" antenna pattern. For those of you that do not know, the 2 rx/antennas of the Horizon Spekrtum radio attempt to create a spherical reception pattern around the plane.

If these guys have figured out how to do that (spherical reception pattern) with what looks like a monopole antenna over a PC board, well they are really onto something bigger than RC radios I tell you!!

The basic radio they are using is similar to what Bob and I used, but we had to use 4 in the plane (all physically separated ) and 2 in the transmitter.

The reason for the physical separation of 4 radios is that the other problem we have with jets is massive amounts of metal objects in the plane, so even a spherical pattern antenna behind a big slug of metal shielding (big at 2.4 Ghz is anything bigger than a couple of inches, BTW) is still going to have "challenges".

I wish them luck.

The proof is in the pudding, they should just drag these out to events and fly them, they must have a bunch by now if they are shipping in a few weeks.

Jim Cattanach 09-06-2006 12:26 AM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Will there be 35mz versions?

Regards

Jim

mr_matt 09-06-2006 12:29 AM

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It is on 2,400 MHz.

I am not sure the power they are running is legal worldwide, the levels in Europe are lower I think.

Thud_Driver 09-06-2006 12:43 AM

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I have some "expendable" prop planes I test fly all my jet gear in anyway. $200 bucks for a flight pack to play with might be fun and, besides, somebody has to find the problems. Maybe I can find an "expendable" turbine to throw in the mix.

Jim Cattanach 09-06-2006 05:46 AM

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I am not sure of the legal power output in Europe, but here is some info on 2.4ghz in the UK.


The frequency 2.4Ghz. It is one of the few frequencies available in the UK for use by citizens which does not require a license from the national regulatory authority. This arrangement is termed license exemption, and 2.4 Ghz is peculiar in that it is license exempt in many jurisdictions around the world. This exemption is the result of the status of 2.4 Ghz as part of a guard band around the frequencies used by microwave ovens, which was considered by regulators to be a trash band, unusable on noise grounds. It was therefore opened up for public use, though within strict power limits.


Regards

Jim

Jim Cattanach 09-06-2006 08:45 AM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
I suppose the moral of the story is:- Do not fly while heating your lunch in the microvave.

Regards

Jim

JimDrew 09-09-2006 01:59 AM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Matt,

The R/C world can thank you for us releasing this system. Yes, I chatted with you about this in Buttonwillow. I had a system functioning on the bench, with no real interest in making it a commercial product. I have several companies, and R/C is just my hobby. After we chatted, I was a little ticked because I knew this works and I just hate someone telling me something is not possible. :) MaxStream has patents pending for the spherical technology (I would love to say I invented it, but that is not the case). MaxStream's technology is so innovative that they were just purchased (39.2 million dollars cash) last month by Digi, Inc. who will now use that technology for their clients (wireless telephones and networking). The radio is high speed with 4 times the bandwidth of the Spektrum system. We will eventually have radio modules with 8 or 10 times the bandwidth. The system is basically a wireless network, complete with virtual addresses, AES encryption, etc. The radio packets are a proprietary format. As part of the normal operation, the frequency changes on the fly (hopping) using a patent-pending technique.

k3 valley flyer 09-14-2006 03:43 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
Why is a registration required on the xtreme web site? Are these products ready for actual mass production or just now in prototyping or even experimental stage? Are they for real?

mr_matt 09-15-2006 06:30 PM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 

ORIGINAL: JimDrew
Matt,

The R/C world can thank you for us releasing this system. Yes, I chatted with you about this in Buttonwillow. I had a system functioning on the bench, with no real interest in making it a commercial product. I have several companies, and R/C is just my hobby. After we chatted, I was a little ticked because I knew this works and I just hate someone telling me something is not possible.
Well, I must say that a "do the opposite of what Matt says" strategy has served many very well!!

Still releasing it in a month?

jonkoppisch 09-15-2006 06:37 PM

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Hi Matt,
Don't know if you've seen this thread....
[link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566018&page=10#post6073413]XtremeLinkT - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec radios [/link]

mr_matt 09-16-2006 01:28 AM

RE: The Wait Is Almost Over
 
That is a great thread, thanks. Some very sharp guys on there.

Looks like Jim has hooked up with Steve Kaluf and the AMA will be running tests, I think that is a great move and I look forward to hearing the results.


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