Avviation Design, Exocet
 

hi ya'll was wondering how good an idea the Exocet is for a semi beginner jet pilot.
I am an experienced rc pilot and have quite abit experience with fast aircraft, ( up to around 130 mph) and have experience with propjet (DC F-20).
initially I want to start the Exocet with DF setup and later change it over to turbine, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this particlar plane and can give some Goood advice in regards to it.

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No personal experience, but here's my observations:
- Aviation Design says it is easy to fly and has low wing loading.
- It is kit:
http://perso.orange.fr/aviationdesig...et/exocet4.jpg

Do you have experience building stuff like this?
If you want to start DF and upgrade to turbine, you might want to be sure the upgrade is not difficult. For example, some manufacturers apparently make lighter fuselages for DF and stronger for turbines.

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I have some experience building, but I also have a friend that lives pretty close that flies nothing but turbine jets, and has loads of exp building,I should get some pics of the huge F-14 he's building from scratch.
And he has offered to help if needed in the build and buddy box flights also some of his friends have offered to aid in buddy box time etc. all of which are experienced jet pilots, I went flyin at a private field with them last year with my prop F-20 and YS 91 powered 46 sized mustang, it was suggested to get into jets since I like the fast stuff lol , main things that have prevented that are wallet, and nerves lol, my friend did give me some stick time on his one jet kinda looks like the kangroo, but this is jet he built from scraps around his shop lol note stick time was only few minutes and after it was in the air.

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Jeremy at LGM Graphics has one and loves it. I know he said at one time it would be a good trainer. If he doesn't repond here try looking up his id and PM him.

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Hi Johhnycrash,
I sent you a PM but to reiterate what I said in there, the Exocet is a fantastic jet. I love mine, only thing keeping it from flying right now is lack of an engine. If you can get one and you like the look get it. You do have to build it, but it's an easy build. Conversion from Ducted Fan to turbine wouldn't be hard, it's the same fuse and formers, you'd just have to change the tailpipe. Having said that though, I wouldn't bother with DF, I'd get a PST600R and put it in there, it would have fantastic performance with that. They are very light, mine was 15lbs with a RAM750 and all glassed and painted, I think you could reasonably build it to 13lbs with a smaller engine and monokoted wings and tail, but even at 15lbs with a PST you'd have a wicked package.
Here's what mine looks like now.
Jeremy

http://pics.lgmguitars.com/pics/exocet/IMGP3519.JPG

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it still looks great but for me it has to be colorful lol mainly for visuals while in air I"ll try and e mail a d again and see if it's still available yet.

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I found a dealer in UAE that thier website shows it in stock and e mailed other dealers but waiting to hear back from them yet

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OK a d SAYS THEY AREN'T MAKING THE EXOCET ANYMORE, and suggested the scorpion, the us a d dealer also recommended the yellow aircraft starfire II, which I have seen on sale around 575 plus another 5 for turbine install kit, scorpian is a nice plane but a pretty big plane at 22 lbs or better where as the starfire II 10-11 lbs (dry) w/df
so I think my choice will be the starfire plus it's close in design style to exocet from what I can see change the intakes on the starfire and it could be exocets twin lol

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The Starfire is a good plane but it's smaller than the exocet, smaller wing area and typically a little heavier. They fly well though. Have you considered the Flash from Composite ARF? It's a little bigger again, but I think they'll still fly very well on a P70 or P80, they have been saying there is a smaller one called the Spark coming out as well that would be more P60 sized. The new Bandit ARF looks really nice from the pictures and reviews I've seen though much more expensive than the others, but they are available, fast to put together and well, they're a bandit, you can't really go wrong if you're willing to spend the $$$.

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lol onr thing bout the bvm products always more bucks, I got a glance ay theflash and it does fall into my style of jet lolI also checked out the website you gave me they're the ones that recommended both scorpian or starfire, I still have to find a place to get more info on the flash (thats in english ) lol

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http://www.composite-arf.com.hk/ar/Catalog?cat=35

I assume you have been to composite arf's website?

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went there right after last post I likke the flash but price is kinda high 2790 even though it includes turbine install kit, compared to the starfire 575 for plane 495 for turbine install kit, flash is abit larger, still a nice plane but I got to watch cost too and since I want jhigh quality servos and such to help ensure the plane can mechanically fly for a long time we gotta cut some cost without cuttin corners, I don't think it would be good to go with a more expensive plane and put cheap servos and other electronics then to go qith better servos and such take the smaller less expensive plane, but maybe down the road when I have more money to spend I may add a flash or it's big brother the lightning lol, all jets I ever flry will be this type wing tail setup IE I won't do any that resemble delta wing design, due to visuals it's hard for me to pick out the fin sometimes lol so deltas aren't a good plane for me

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johnnycrash

I had to wait 2-3 months for my kit to come in and I suspect they can still be made to your order. I would E-mail the manufacturer before you give up. I bought my kit about a year and half ago as a replacement to one I had bought second hand. The wings from mark1 were OK and I was so impressed by its flight that I bought the kit. The current kit has been redesigned for turbine use and is much better. The intakes have been slightly reduced and the structure greatly cleaned up. I fly mine on a Jet Central Bee with a Wren 54 thrust pipe. The large intakes give a sort of "super charge" effect at high speed. It is very spectacular in flight. People keep asking what engine I have in it and can not believe it is only a Bee. If you were to fit a Wren S.Sport it would be quite ballistic. Price-wise it is a third of the Flash etc.

The trick for good turbine performance is shoe-horning a decent sized tank in before you start - then fit the engine and avionics. I managed a 3 litre water bottle. I rather doubt you can fit a fan system and then transfer to turbine as you would have to gut it cutting away all the substructure for the fan and install the sub- structure for the turbine. The epoxy fuselage is very thin and light and gutting it would be very delicate and difficult. Structurally I would stiffen the central hatch with a small bit of carbon tube. Without it, the internal pressure is so great that it blows the hatch off (Yes- even with a Bee)! The heavy duty Spring Air u/c performs OK. Hope this helps.

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The Exocet has a distinctive look that I like: it is not an F-20 that tries to look like something else ... nor something that tries to look a bit like an F-20.

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I got an email back from altecarerc leading me to the buy button after asking them if it was still available, so most likely I'll go there and get the exocet as it is my first choice
and thanks eo all of you for the information, and advice.

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http://www.altecare.com/exocet.htm Ask for Peter. A real stand up guy


Good Luck
Hoss

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johnnycrash

I am really chuffed on your behalf. I know it is a bit of work but at the end of it - you will be pleased. I also feel that a good band of devotees will keep A.D. stocking the servo covers, nose cones etc. to repair that occasional long grass landing.

On my second time around I fitted small digital servos (Hitech 5225) directly into the foam of the fin and tail planes (using 6volt Rx packs). This has worked OK so far. Also after fitting the front former, I lined the inside of fuselage from the front former back to the intake and 3/4 inch in front of the former with a thin layer of kevlar. I also used/copied the front former onto a slightly thicker bit of ply. This is probably a bit of overkill but flying off grass tends to give that area a hammering. My first fuselage suffered and the second one has not even cracked the gel coat.

Lastly, while this model will land quite slowly with the flaps down (with Wren54/Jet Central Bee), it can fly seriously faster than the Boomerang and Super Reaper trainers (approx - 200mph cf 140-150mph). Please take a good spotter and/or an experienced jet flier or a very light throttle finger with you until you have built a body of experience with it.

Best wishes

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(very lucky) i just got my hands on a exocet , ram 750 going in it.:D, and i have just give it a new pant job.[img][/img]

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I been working on my Exocet on and off for about a month. (Latly off) Comming along GREAT........ Just finished the wing with glass and ready for paint. I have to finish up the tail fins next. Than start on the Fuse. I think my biggest project is trying to figure out where all those wood formers go. This jet will not be in the air this year. It is a project to work on in the evenings and rainy days. It is a fun project to build. I have got a lot of advise from Jermey at LGM graphics and Henry HG. Mabe that why it looks so good. :D:D. Looking to put a P70 into it. Good luck building yours.

Hoss

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Too fast for you Mickeyfly!!!

Ian

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mikeyfly

Love your paint scheme. Makes it look it look like a flying shark!

It is a quick model if built light. It is very nearly as fast as a Bandit.

On the advice of Tom Wilkinson, my son and I put a Wren Wright pipe in and it just transformed it. You must allow enough air to travel down the OUTSIDE of the pipe and even then reinforce the central hatch with CF as the internal air pressure can fold it half and blow it off! The model seams to supercharge the engine. If the air exit on the outside of the pipe becomes blocked - you melt the gas supply pipe to the engine! I presume, with those big intakes, the thrust pipe just can not get the air away fast enough!

Try to find the right fuel bottle. We lost the first fuselage due to running out of fuel and attempting a dead stick landing half a mile away. We now have a 3 litre BUXTON water bottle in it. With a JF50 Super Bee (approx 6Kg) and approx 2 1/4 litre on board, we get about 10 to 11 minutes with enough for another circuit in the tank on landing. Your engine sounds more powerful and thirstier so keep a good friend to spot for you on those first few flights!

Wishing you every good luck.

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Hello,

Would anyone like to sell their Exocet? Please let me know (714) 342-1040

Thanks,

Rick

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Hi
i was told i got the very last one. ( smug grin), and i am not parting with it.

Mike

RE: Avviation Design, Exocet
 

Rick,
Check with http://www.altecarerc.com/. I don't think I bought his last one. Talk to Peter, He might still have one.

Good Luck
Hoss

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how far out does the tailpipe have to go so as not to burn the elevstor and fuse?