Getting into jets
 

Hi,

I want to start flying jets, and from what I seen at my friend and from talking to people the best introduction into jets seems to be the boomerang. Can someone provide me the info on where to get one (and if the nitroplanes equivalent, Formusa is the same as the boomerang in flying and quality), what I need to fly (including field equipment), and any other relevant information?

Thanks,

MD

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HI,

I would also consider the Reaction 54 by BTE. Excellent gentle flyer and unbeatable backup from Bruce. Check out the R54 thread on RCU.

Regards

Joseph

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http://www.boomerangjets.com/us/home.htm

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Hi MD,

many jets are good to start your flights, we initiate with HOT-SPOT ( very dificult plane to begin !!! I think ), later, we go to BABY BOOMERANG ( great plane!!! very, very, easy to fly, and landing ), but, the best, in my opinion is a ELAN from ALAN CARDASH, the same factor of BABY BOOMERANG, fantastic plane to start and finish, you don`t need sale after learning!!! it`s your relax jet when you flying perfectly.
Look our first landings : http://www.rcuvideos.com/item/QPMWD2PKFPYVSLWR
take carre with the FRANKSTEIN JETS made in garage : FORMOST FALCON 120 and others, they are not JETS!!!!

HOPE HELP YOU

JOSE [8D]

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Hi Jose,

I saw the Elan from Boomerang jets and I was curious. Most of the people from my field fly the baby boom. (I think). They usually put a p60 or p70 in theirs from what I overhear. I would like to know what kind of setup do you have in your jets, like:

- Number of servos
- How much torque on the servos?
- What kind of power system do you need?
- What kind of electronics do you need?
- I use Spektrum, which receiver do people use? AR7000 with DX7 or the 9303 with the AR9000?
- What kind of field equipment do I need?
- Anything else I should know?

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Personally, I would suggest you avoid the Formost 150 from Nitro Models as an intro to jets. A friend at the local field has one and he has mentioned that the Formost 150 will require some beefing up before it is ready for a turbine. I would probably go with the Nitro Models Falcon 120. The same friend mentioned before has converted 3 of the Falcons to turbine power, and each has flown quite well. If you are not interested in converting any plane for turbine power, any of the Boomerangs would be a good starting point. I fly a Boomerang XL with a 30 lb thrust turbine. The plane flies very well with no nasty habits. There are many other good choices available. Also before you make a final decision, you may consider attending some of the rc jet events to check out what's available.

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Boomerang intro is a great place to start.. You'll need a 12 -17 lb thrust engine, P-60, p-70, Wren MW54, PST 600R etc. Servo requirements are modest they only call for 70 oz in. You need 3 in the tail, 3 in the wing, and one for nosewheel steering. If you want brakes and retracts, that needs 2 micro servos. A 6 channel radio will do it, although a more capable radio gives you more options.
Ground equipment
you will need:
CO2 or Halon fire extinguisher
A fueler jug,
bottle of powermax or propane unless your engine is kero start
taxi tank
ear defenders (optional, but a really good idea)
field battery charger

The Reaction 54 is also a great jet, unfortunately, Bruce is out of them at the moment, although used ones pop up in the classifieds from time to time...

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http://laser-design-services.com/jetmachpromo.html

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Hi MD,

Swing by the Sepulveda Basin field and you can get some pointers, a lot of Boomerangs there, and some other options are starting to show up over the next few weeks.

Good luck with any choice you make. Like I said, all of the jet guys are friendly at Sepulveda so just walk up and ask all the questions you want.

Regards,

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Hey Matt,

I'm usually a basin bum flying my warbirds or flippy flop, one of the other warbird guy (actually a few but only one got the boomerang) have bought turbine jets and said he likes it way more than the warbirds so i want to give it a try. I know some of the Cermark and one of the Skymaster guys so getting info won't be a problem (I hope) I will probably contact them on any advice I can get but I prefer to do my own research before I talk to them so I do not seem totally clueless.

Seems like you don't need much torque on the servos, in fact I use more on my warbirds (JRSport ST126MG) and giant scale 3d planes (HS-5985/5955) so I might be able to use my JRSport ST126MG. But what about the other gear I need, where can I get them cheap? Especially the P60/70.

I was also unable to find a US distributor for boomerang jets (http://www.boomerangjets.com/us/store.htm), where do people in the US buy them?

Thanks,

MD

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USA go to http://www.boomerangjets.com/us/home.htm

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I have the Boomerang Elan and it's a great flying plane. My suggestion would be the Elan. If you buy the Baby Boomerang and you decide to upgrade to the Elan then you have had to purchase two planes.

If you buy the Elan first, you only will have to purchase one plane.

It will do everything you would want it to do.

I have a Jet Central Super Eagle in mine and for me it is a great jet/turbine combination.

Don

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Ok, but careful attention is needed to the linkage geometry, specially if you are using servos around 100 oz/in of torque. The final proof of this is that your transmitter is using about 100% or more of the volume travel on the control channels. (and this includes the mixings, dual rates, etc..) Also if they are digital, they have the advantage of being more resistant to flutter as they have a stronger holding power at neutral as well having metal gears, for the same reason.

Enrique

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Formost 150 is not a turbine Jet model and never will be. Is a sub-compact Boomerang coming out some time later in 2008?.

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I just got into jets after Comp Arf giants and 3W warbirds. I bought the Elan with the jet central super eagle. Awsome customer service from Patricia. I will buy a CA Flash soon.

I am having sooo much fun. You will not be sorry.

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Thanks for your clarification on the Formost 150. I do understand that this is not a turbine designed plane, however some are choosing to convert it to turbine power. This is certainly not something I would recommend for a novice.[8D] However, an experience turbine pilot can make the necessary modifications to the airframe to make it relatively safe for a small turbine unit.

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["relatively safe"]

I'm not sure any of us are looking to be "relatively safe" when it comes to flying turbines. I would think it should be, "As safe as possible"....
Don

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Man I kind of want the F16 from Cermark, its only $695 ($95 more than the baby boom) and it looks sooo sweet

http://www.cermark.net/Show.php?TID=19&PSN=1624

I know it doesn't fly as well but I want to put the P60 in that and fly some formation with the boys.

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you'll need to double that if you want retracts/wheels/brakes/pipe to go along with it.

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Is it safe to use my AR7000 receiver in the boomerang or F16 with a P60 or 70? What kind of batteries do I need? I was thinking either a NiMH 2700 pack or a two cell A123 2600 mAh pack. Some people have told me to use a regular, I said this is not necessary since the NiMH is only 6.0v and the A123 is 6.6 volts. What on a jet cannot handle 6.0v or more? If you have a jet with an AR7000 please tell me your setup.

Thanks,

MD

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:)Run my son....Run very very far away!.... no just kidding. I love this sport. But be warned. It's very expensive AND very ADDICTIVE. Once you are in it - it's too late to turn around - you'll be hooked!

You cannot go wrong with any of the Boomerang products. I have an XLII - I love it.

Andy

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Do you use Spektrum? If so what's your setup?

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Dat, you can use the 7000 or 9000 S.S. receiver with no problem. I personally would use the 9000 so you don't have to do any crzy mixes on your radio. BTW what transmitter do you have?
A buch of turbines will be out tomorrow( Thursday) Feel free to come over and ask any questions.

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MD, I have a AR7000 in a jet (Rafale) controlled by a JR9303. I use two batteries (5-Cell 2700 NiMH) and two heavy duty charge switches. You don't have to use a regulator with this setup. My turbine is a P-120. Depending on your aircraft, you may have issues trying to set it up due to the few channels the AR7000 provides. If you have at least a 9 channel Tx and Rx, then that would be a better. Ken