Feibao kit warning!!!!
 

Just a quick note to advise you that this brand is much talk of it, well I have not listened and....:

My F15 is destroyed because the little hands of feibao forgot to paste the lines of drift and they are detached in flight, going to an flat spin in immediate and complete destruction of the cell.

Fortunately for me (all proportion kept time and investment devoted to this model) all the electronics and motor are intact, the motor is vent when we arrived on the scene of the crash so it will go just for a revision in rescue Turbines.

you tell me the model is old and over powered:
well no, it was only 5 flight of settings, so that the racetracks, and it was powered by a small P80 than enough to model and is perfect for the beginning.

good so I abused in flight .... bin rather than a transition to full throttle flat (all proportions guarded, given the strength of P80 and a model of 11.5 kg empty) one pass at full throttle and the drifts were blocked, you go tell me ill fitting, and there I respond through the pictures and you tell me more:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7239/img0756w.jpg

This is the only trace of glue on the axis of drift which is housed in the fuselage ....
here is the little extra glue on the other side:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7540/img0757jc.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4314/img1825qm.jpg http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/img1825qm.jpg/1/w640.png
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3647/img0745pr.jpg http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/img...jpg/1/w640.png
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7259/img0749n.jpg http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/i...jpg/1/w640.png

given the manifest lack of editing, I thought Feibao, will take over and offer me something decent, well not even have the slightest beginning of commercial fiber: a fuselage (complete or not difficult to know) for 550€(825$)to home, without retract, tank and in my opinion no harware, no spoiler, however, added when ordering.

My friends, if you want to enjoy a little of your stream, choose the jetlegend (the club's powered by a 14kg and still around ....)
see the video mounted to appreciate the speed difference between the 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f6HnmUGnFc

You've been warned .!!!![:@][:@][:@]

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My anti-malware software detected a Trojan horse in the last pic.....

Dan

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Yep on the first one too.

Don't click on the pics!

Jason

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i've post this picture today , no trojan , no virus ( i can see them without problem )
the only trojan of this post was in the vertical wings axle....not in the pictures..

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The fact that you can see them has nothing to do with it. You have something corrupted on your end....

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now the H1N1 has disapears....

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Christopher
Sorry for the loss

How long ago did you purchase your Fei Bao F-15.

I have one that was purchased last April 2009 and my wing spars are Carbone Fiber. I see yours are Aluminium.
I am wondering if they changed to the carbon fiber because of the problem that you had.

Joe L.

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i've bought it in january 2008, and done the first flight in june 2009.
if they know this problem , why the didn't want to replace the cell, i've purpose them to buy another complete plane ( cause i don't want to put in the air the main wings, because i don't know if they've an internal failure) at special price, but their answer was completly wrong(825 for the fuse without retract/fuel cell/gear door and without speed airbrake)
no costumer service!!! and very dangerous building without any control possible when i receive the plane, cause the axle was already "glued"

the hystory is more longer than that cause i 've to wait long time to have the right measurement elevator axle , because the two that were supplied in the kit were not at good size compared to the bearings provided in the fuselage, and i've sending the 2 wrong elevator to my french distributor.

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Cristophe

Looking at your F-15 as compared to mine, I see that yours is NOT bypassed for the motor. Mine has a full Bypass on the motor. Fei Bao may have made some changes. As I said before, The Spar or axel as you refere to it, is carbon fiber on mine.

I too had a poor fit on the elevator spar or Axel in the bearing. I made a shime out of an old piece of tail pipe 1/4 of an inch wide and I think it was .005 thick. It is the whole lenght of the Elevator spar and I forced it through the bearing and the control horn. This took out all of the loose fit that I had.

Joe L.

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I've the complete bypass in the kit but put only the donwside of it.

i've the same issue on the first elevator axle, the second one was better, but already i've loctite them inside the bearing to reduce the lack of precision.

to secure the vertical wings, you must glue them on the fuse.

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Hi Cristophe

Sorry for your loss and unfornuately we are seeing this happening in several ARF planes regardless of the manufacturers. The issue here is that we can't make any control on that because the wings or rudders are already finished and ther is no control if the spars have been properly glued or not.

The lack of quality control in these factories is obvious and I mean ALL ARF manufacturers. The least they could do was offering a really GOOOOOOOOD deal in the plane.

The amount of glue used is unacceptable for the plane, maybe the glue can was low and they let it pass. I have a Feibao F18 and I also have several issues regarding gear and stuff, but the glass fiber is great.


Maybe we should buy the planes with a X-ray certificate:D

regards

Nuno

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that was an idea for an new accessory.....lol:)

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Man I just ordered an F-5(1/7th), hope I dont have any similar issues!

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Buy An Avonds F15 !!!!!
And Keep Feibao kits for static display....:D:D:D:D

Jean-Philippe

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Hi Mike,

Your order goes through Global Jet Club, we will help you resolve any issue if there is one. You would be getting the latest version since we have taken over the distribution of FB products in September 2009. We have imposed several quality control standards on all products we order from them to avoid this type of quality issue.

Mike

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Cristophe

After reading your post, I removed the flap servo's to inspect the spar. Mine has a Solid Carbon fiber spar that is Sandwiched with ply between the wing skins. It forms an I beam of sorts. It passes through 2 wing ribs that are also ply. It looks to be pretty solid but for some peace of mind I went ahead and covered as much as i could get to with 30 minute epoxy. Here are some pics the angle is hard to shoot but you might see what I am talking about.

Joe

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Thanx Mike!!!

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Cristophe


I must apologize. I thought that you wing separated from the fuse. I know see that it was your vertical fin. I will check this on mine as well.

Joe

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Mike,
I think it would be of a huge value to all RC jet modelers if you put a post up of how you conduct your quality control tests/checks on these airplanes. It would be of great benefit to GJC as well if people could see what the tests are you put these airplanes through before sale.
Some points to go over would be:

1. What to inspect, known problem area's in chinese manufactures, lack of glue, poor fit, etc.

2. How to inspect difficult to see area's, spar structure, internal structure, etc.

3. How to correct or fix these area's in the least obtrusive way.

The simple fact is, there are problems with all the Chinese manufactures, there have been problems in the past with other manufactures too, but it seems the low cost, chinese ARF's have been getting much bad press lately. Olivier did a thread regarding what to watch for with the FEJ kits, I think Skymaster, FB, Jet Legend etc could all benefit from the same type of threads.

It's unfortunate that so many people purchase these airplanes and don't check the area's that I would think should be checked no matter what, and that so many people feel these models should be perfect regardless of the fact that they are paying less for a complete ARF than a reputable manufactures KIT version costs, particularly after reading threads where problem area's are mentioned.
Seems to me a professional evaluation including correction of problem area's thread would be very fitting for the forum these days.
Jeremy

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If you bought a car and the suspension broke because of faulty manufacturing or design, causing you to crash and destroy it, what would you do? If you bought an expensive ride on car for your kid and it broke during use because of faulty design or manufacture, what would you do? In both cases, I reckon 99% of people would take it back and either ask for a brand new replacement or their money back. Why should we just put up with this simply because it's "just a model aircraft"? Just because it's made in China and is cheap is no excuse for it not to be manufactured or designed properly. Imagine if it had crashed into somebody - who would foot the blame then?

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Sorry your jet crashed , it's VERY obvious that there was not enough glue on that rudder post !!!!

if they don't take care of you please be sure to let us know here , that kind of crappy assembly is inexcusable !

regards

Dan

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Hi Jeremy,

That's a great suggestion.

Basically all planes come in to our own club facility and got inspected for the following area

1) Wing structure - using pinhead camera to inspect all internal joints for any caps or insufficient adhesives

2) Count all parts and make sure they don't go missing.

3) Check paint jobs for blemishes

4) Repack them in our own corrugated boxes that's much stronger. Some members comment that "that's the toughest box coming out from Asia". If you have seen our boxes you will understand what I mean. As a matter of fact, we export these boxes along with other raw material and parts to our China facility regularly.

5)Modify, reinforce or upgrade the parts when necessary.

This is a continuous process as we gain more knowledge and understanding of how each airplane behaves. It's quite labor intensive because each airplane varies greatly from others. If a defect was found, at least the plane is still in China and it can be quickly replaced or repaired before they are sent to our club members worldwide. We do have our own mistakes too, so we just keep our communication open with our club members and inform them any possible safety issue with our planes, or modifications. We hire full time a group of member service rep in USA and China, and reps in Europe to identify problems discussed on RCU or other forums and generate CAPA (corrective action & preventive action) advisory to our members and also to our factories.

Basically, this is what we do over there now.

Mike

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hi,
@ jet pilot24:
is the vertical wings , i 've too the carbon fiber rod on the main wing and after the flat scew, the main wing are intact from the external view, but i don't know if something happen inside, is that the reason why i asked for an complete new cell.

@ mikedenilim:
i've done the complete revew of the aircarftn, i didn't use the servos mount, i do my own servo case to secure them, i've putin some glue inside the wing cause by the servo hole, i've seen lack of glue inside the both mainwing.
i've loctite of the srew inside the plane, but it's impossible to see if they 've putting glue or not on :
the wing axle
the elevator axle
vertical wings axle
for these 3 items, we just hope they don't forget that.

i've seen your increase quality annoncement on your web site, if you have some issue with FB, you know where looking , or ask to FB to destroy an vertican wing in random to look if they have done this job correctly.

@ LGM graphix:

we know the less cost that other factory of chinese mark, but this is not a reason to miss an important process, if it can not paste an axle that leaves, we will ... if he put the right amount of glue, it seems so obvious to someone who built this error is unforgivable.
our fast-jet flying, not to glue these places is a disgrace, the manufacturers know this and should implement all the controls can do for that to happen.

to all:
i've flying with a P80.... the less powerfull motor for this plane, i never imagine loosing parts with this kind of motor, all the story that i've read , was more powerfull plane and motor, and you're right , what happen if because of that, it had crash on somebody.... terrific!!!
the mistake is human, with all the kit they do , it's impossible for all arf company to do 100% quality kit, but the less they can do is repair their mistake when they did one.

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Hi,

Sorry, but this is simply not true.

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i've been contacted by FB this morning, to find an issue to this story, i hope they'll do an great offer.

i appreciate.

the offer that i've already receive was by my french distributor.

wait and see