yoclick

Hi,

I'm looking for a MT which my dads going to buy me in a few weeks.... (once i tell him) !


Anyway, my first on-road car was an RTR and i feel i need a kit this time because i never got to know the car properly. So i was thinking of getting the Savage 4.6 SS because it was the only decent KIT MT I could think off.

However i have heard such good things about the Revo and seen it and im like [X(], but of course its only available in RTR with a crappy radio kit which would need replacing. This could end up costing too much $$$ and i wouldnt get to know the car properly.

One idea was to buy all the parts for the revo and build it myself using help off Traxxas's website. However i'm not sure about this and how easy it would be.

The main purpose will be jumps and stuff and i hope to make a few ramps. I also heard soo much talk about the Savage being more durable than the revo but have you seen the video on traxxas's website of a revo jumping a huge ramp, failing to land but still surviving?? So in my opionion both are as durable (though i've never seen a savage in those conditions).

Just wondering what you guys think i should do or if you know of any other MT kits?

Thanks

snowbl!nd

I hope its for your birthday, otherwise you just sound spoiled...

Upgrading the Revo, or building one from scratch would be more expensive than just getting the Savage. The Savage is a very durable truck, and whilst you have seen a video of the Revo taking a fair bashing, you should not base the purchase on a video clip.
You will be happy with either truck, but i would imagine that the Savage would be the better/cheaper/easier option.
If you still cannot make up your mind, base the purchase on part support.

yoclick

Please dont call me "spoilt", i hate it when people jump the accusations without knowing the facts. Im finishing my exams in a few weeks, as a gift for months and months of solid work my dads promised to get me a new truck.

Savage SS would probobly have the better parts support at the moment due to revo still being relativley new. Also living in the UK, you'll know we pay higher and normally have to wait longer before getting anything.

Are the Savage SS parts exactly the same as on the Savage 25 or 4.6? If so i think i'll have to go savage kit, and find a decent radio system.

Also i wasnt basing my purchuse on the video clip, i just thought that soo many people under estimate the durability of the revo and automatically say the savage is much better. So i was saying the revo can still take a battering.

Cheers for info

snowbl!nd

I wasnt calling you spoiled, it just sounded like the kind of thing a spoiled kid would say. It sounded like you were just going to order your dad to buy something for you.
But you are not, so my apologies.

The 4.6 is an "updated" version of the previous line of Savages. It has many features which were option parts on earlier models, so this has eliminated many of the earlier faults that the .21 and .25 models had (weak diffs in particular). Check out the site for a list (and it is a long list) of the improvements that have been made. > http://www.hpi-europe.com/
Most of the actual rolling chassis is identical to the .21 and .25 so finding replacement parts should not be a problem.

I agree that the revo can take a fair beating, and although many regard the revo as a pure racer (mainly due to recent successes in many mt classes) there are those who swear by its bashing capabilities.

However, a vast majority agree tha the Savage is the best bashing platform availible for a truck, probably due to the TVP chassis and impressive ground clearance (which also raises the CoG and prevents it from cornering at speed). This inevitabely reduces its racing potential.

As for waiting for everything for longer (and then paying more for it) in the UK, i agree completely. Parts support for most if not all major rc manufacturers is terrible compared to the US, where you can get almost any part (even if they have to order it) in a few days. I'm still waiting for some parts for a Thunder Tiger model after three weeks, on order from my lhs which specialises in thunder tiger parts.
I dont think part availibility will be that different between HPI and Traxxas in the UK, it will probably suck for both. Just find somewhere that you can get parts, even though they may take a few weeks to arrive.

yoclick

Yeah i know what you mean about the spoilt little ones! Does my head in! When i was little my dad gave me pocket money of 50p a week lol. I could buy only a packet of crisps with that and then you see kids that age now, with £100's worth of phones and designer label clothes!

Well, i'm "lucky" and actually have two hobby stores near me and one is a HPI Full Dealership, although the guys who work there are idiots! So I was thinking savage parts would be much easier for me to get my hands on! Also you say the savage is known for its ground clearence, isnt it only 3" compared to Revo's which is 4"?

I'm thinking the Savage SS 4.6 will be the best option. If most parts are available on other savages then i shouldnt have a hard time finding them, and it would be good to build a car for the first time! Doubt i would need to hop it up either and once i've got a good radio kit inside it, it should be amazing!

Now time to order a Savage SS 4.6 from America....sent as a gift of course

Would you recommend any decent radio systems? Would obviously need a full radio system because i only have a crappy AM radio system in my other car which it came with RTR (one of the reasons for wanting to get a kit, to get a decent radio system!).

Cheers for you're info! Its been loads of help

snowbl!nd

The Savage has the most ground clearance stock, whilst the ground clearance of the Revo can be increased to 120mm ~ 4" with optional long travel rockers. If you wanted you could probably increase the ground clearance of the stock Savage further, but i doubt you would want/need to unless you were intending to tackle some huge jumps.

I think the Savage 4.6 with a good radio system would be unbeatable, most of the modifications that people have made to previous Savages are included in the kit so there isnt really much you could do improve it unless you wanted to do a twin engine conversion or something else drastic.

As for the radio system, i cant help you much there, i havent upgraded the radio systems on any of my cars -yet. Im still using the standard AM stuff. It really depends on what features you want and how much you are wiling to spend. Go to http://www.nitroreview.com/TheDatabase/homeradios.cfm to see what are availible and what people have said about them.

Here are a couple of pics of my "rides" - Thunder Tiger TS-4 & Thunder Tiger MT-A4

ThunderbirdJunkie

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I personally would go with the Savage. almost 3 horsepower, bulletproof, and if you hear the SS 4.6, it's a glorious sound
there ARE other MT kits...but they're 600USD+..which translates to probably close to 400GBP after it's shipped and whatnot.

RenegadeRevo

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Ground clearance with the Revo is 3.8" with the Progressive1 rockers installed, and the suspension lifted. The LT rockers just give the truck MORE suspension travel... and a SLIGHTLY higher stance (4") With the long-travel rockers, the suspension will travel farther.. which is good for rock crawling and bashing when it takes some serious suspension travel... jumping, the LT's aren't good (they allow the suspension to travel farther than the chassis.. so, you get a lot of chassis slap when jumping with LT's. (trust me, I had them) I would say, however that if you want a true "kit" go with the Savvy. It's a good truck, and it's all in ONE kit. I'll be putting my next Revo together... using some aftermarket parts, and some Traxxas parts.. buying them RTR is great... but I'm in the mood to build something... from scratch.

yoclick

Snowbl!nd is there anything stock on that Thunder Tiger TS-4 lol! I was going to get one as a first car but i found out parts for it would be impossible for me to get. Looked good though.

ThunderbirdJunkie if there is a $600(USD) truck in the US, i garentee the same would cost me £600(GBP) in the UK! Although importing and having it sent as a gift would be a good idea, i just cant find anyone who is willing to do that! I'm struggling on places on where to get the truck from now....damn it! I'll find something though!

REVOFAMILY thats what i wanted to do. Revo sounded like a revolutionary new truck with tons of nice features BUT it comes only in RTR and my dad rekons that i should build a car and get to know them properly. Which is true because if you spend this money on it, you should at least know how to put it together! I was thinking of buying parts but this would take too long, probobly cost me too much and since im still a fairly big n00b in r/c cars, i dont think it would be the best idea. However i was thinking that Traxxas would probobly do a kit version for this truck because think of the demand there would be for it.....gets your mind thinking doesnt it!

Savage SS 4.6 is probs the best choice for me. If i find out a kit version of the revo is going to be realeased a couple of days after buying it though...i would be gutted! Im sure many of you would say Savage outdoes Revo but i've read sooo much into the two and Revo sounds like the way to go. Darn traxxas couldnt make it in kit form though! And they had to include that crappy radio system Ohwell

RenegadeRevo

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To be honest, I doubt Traxxas will EVER make a kit version. Companies are kind of getting away from the kits nowadays. It's much easier, and more popular to do RTR. I doubt you'll ever see a Revo kit come from Traxxas. There are very few companies that do kits anymore.. HPI does... Kyosho does... but most everything else is an RTR.

ThunderbirdJunkie

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I'm still bombarding Associated for a Monster GT Factory Team kit.
i'd buy the hell outta that sucker.
BTW, if you ask me the SS4.6 IS the way to go.
the engine is friggin awesome.

yoclick

WOOOOW i just checked out HPI's website and that engine does look amazing!

After watching a few vids of the savage i think its perfect! Durable, kit form and not too expensive, love it!

Just wondering what kind of radio kit you would recommend? Would prefer a pistol grip transmitter but if there are any decent CHEAP 2 sticks please show me them aswell. However it does need to be FM and probs OK quality, dont need racing stuff, just for bashing really!

ThunderbirdJunkie

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ugh, uh, i dunno where you're gonna find an FM 2 stick radio.
then again, i'm not european:P
i run a Futaba 3pm for everything I own, i love the heck out of it.

crazychris7

If you want a kit but the truck you want is RTR, do what i dowith all my RC's... Take the completely apart (make sure you make little piles so stuff doesnt get mixed up) Take it all the way apart except shocks, diffs, exc, but make sure the diffs have oil, and then totally rebuild it, loctiting all the screws that go to metal, make sure everything is done before moving to another part... takes about a weekend of work and you'll end up knowing your truck pretty good!

Chris

Lardman

Newbs beware taking YOUR car apart is not such a good idea!!!***

crazychris7

hahaha sorry bout that.. thats true right there... lil disclamer for that... dont do it if its your first car or close to it... if ya dont trust yourself to being able to rebuild something, dont do it. Better yet, as you take your car apart, make a diagram and instructions on how youd put it back together...

Chris

ThunderbirdJunkie

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hey now, i've only bought ONE RTR, and that was 6 years into my RC "career", lol.
newbs, buy a stinkin kit and lower the percentage of RTR's sold so us old guys can have these sweet MT's as kits!

crazychris7

lol, yea... lets see some kits for random trucks we'd never want a kit for.. like a genises kit, a stampede kit, or maybe even a t maxx kit!!!! There should be a option to buy it as a roller tho, since stock electronics and usually the motor/pipe come out the day i bring it home...

Chris

SlideWaysTeamGC

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yes go savage its awsome my brother got the 4.6 engine kit and he loved the hell out of it and i got one to put in my xtm racing x factor and its the wheelie king and is unstopable at roock crawling


i know ppl i have a nitro crawler but i can do allmost anything my clod and mini giant can do

and im all for buying a rtr and taking it apart thats how i lerned my rs4
thats after i crashed it into a curb at 65 to 70 mph

yoclick

I think i'd stick with the savage. Everyone seems to agree its a better truck and if i go for the revo, although i could take it apart and then put it together, i have a feeling i'd have to spend more $$$ on a decent radio kit for it.

This savage is going to be good! I've never seen one in real life but i might go to my local hobby store and ask them to see it. Nothing quite like talking in person with ur LHS and them showing you the diff trucks + pros and cons. Its a great way of learning!

ThunderbirdJunkie

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i don't see anything wrong with a nitro crawler.
it's called TRIGGER CONTROL, people!
BTW, after you add a GOOD radio/electronics and engine (i PERSONALLY detest the TRX 2.5) you're over $1k US on the Revo.
cheaper to start off the right way with the Savage 4.6