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Old 03-16-2008, 11:29 PM
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First off I am new to the whole nitro side of things. I have built and raced electric cars for the last few years but have recently moved and there is no local track and being in a rural area now there isn't a lot of decent pavement to drive my cars on. So I sold 2 of my cars (keeping one for visits back home) and am ready to buy a nitro truck. I am asking for you guys help because there is so many choices out there that I want to make the right decision. I want a relatively fast yet durable truck. I don't want to have to replace the engine every 5 tanks of fuel. Parts availability is a must because I will be building a track with jumps on my land. Being newly married and recently purchasing a new home money is tight. Not tight as in barely making the bills but tight as in wanting to continue our way of life and saving the same amount for the future. So after selling 2 of my electric cars and putting a little bit more in I have right at $400 to spend on a truck, accessories, and fuel. So please if anyone can spare the time please share some of your knowledge with me and help me make the best decision and now waste my money.
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I would say the mgt 4.6 is one of the very few top players in the 1/8 MT line up that can be had for under 400 dollars. http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=ASC20501!1007
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hpi savage
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ORIGINAL: oneslowz28

First off I am new to the whole nitro side of things. I have built and raced electric cars for the last few years but have recently moved and there is no local track and being in a rural area now there isn't a lot of decent pavement to drive my cars on. So I sold 2 of my cars (keeping one for visits back home) and am ready to buy a nitro truck. I am asking for you guys help because there is so many choices out there that I want to make the right decision. I want a relatively fast yet durable truck. I don't want to have to replace the engine every 5 tanks of fuel. Parts availability is a must because I will be building a track with jumps on my land. Being newly married and recently purchasing a new home money is tight. Not tight as in barely making the bills but tight as in wanting to continue our way of life and saving the same amount for the future. So after selling 2 of my electric cars and putting a little bit more in I have right at $400 to spend on a truck, accessories, and fuel. So please if anyone can spare the time please share some of your knowledge with me and help me make the best decision and now waste my money.
I have the Savage 4.6 rtr. I run it stock

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Old 03-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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Average price on the savage?

Honestly after doing a bit of research last night I am leaning towards the MGT. I like that 4 screws remove the electronics and It seems that parts are readily available and even in bulk on ebay. Upgrades are there and from what I have read it seems like the MGT is a pretty stout truck. I only read a few post where someone broke something and when people were having problems a quick call to AE usually solved it for them.

For those who say get the MGT please list what you like and dislike about it.

For those who say get the savage please list what you like and dislike about it.

Same goes for any other models too.
Old 03-17-2008, 11:52 PM
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About the mgt, I love the size of it, Its extremely durable, fairly fast. I like how you can use a drill to start the engine or use the pull start.Another good main point is the amount of open room there is on the chassis. It allows easy access to everything. The stock 4.6 has plenty of point the front wheels towards the sky. As for what I don't like, I don't like the stock pull start as the recoil mechanism broke on me pretty quick, but thats ok because I find the drill start a lot easier than sitting there yanking the cord. I don't like the center clip that holds the rear half of the body down, it allows the body to become unclipped in the back easily. It is a simple fix though, just flip the body mount over and you get the two post body mount. Theres not much else I don't like about the MGT. What ever you choose im sure you will be happy with it.
Old 03-18-2008, 07:45 PM
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I spent all last night reading through the 300+ page MGT thread here and Spent some time on the AE forums and the MGT forums. I am 99% sure I will get the 4.6 MGT. So while I wait on the ok from the wife help me with a few questions I have. I want to order everything all at once so here they go.

1. I read that the turn buckles are weak and should be replaced asap. What should I replace them with?

2. I want to go with a FOC. Where do I order it from and is there anything else I need to install it?

3. How strong are the shock towers and the stock A arms?

4. Best wing kit?

5. Best roll bar kit?

6. Best fuel line to buy? (remember I am an electric guy)

7. What fuel do you recommend for break in and for general bashing?\

8. How strong are the stock wheels? I doubt I will jump it higher than 4 or 5 feet. If an extra set of wheels is recommended which ones and what tires?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for all the help so far.
Old 03-18-2008, 09:30 PM
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1. Ive had my mgt for almost a year and haven't bent or broken and turn buckles. Lunsford turnbuckles are probably the best if you feel that you need to replace them. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGDZ7&P=ML

2. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFVB7&P=7 This is for the updated instructions if the instructions they give you are wrong. http://www.monstergt.com/articles/transmission_foc.php

3. The stock A arms and towers are plenty strong.


4. http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi...=&part_id=2877 http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi...=&part_id=2062 You need that shock tower for the wing kit.


5. Can't really say whats the best..I don't use one except for the stock one.


6. I don't think there are any bad fuel lines to buy? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK129&P=ML


7. I would choose at least a 20% fuel. What ever you choose stick with it. I personally use oddonels 20% http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMGE5&P=7


8. Again I don't see any durability issues with the stock wheel tire combo. They are just heavy.


9. I suggest you just get the FOC kit 8 Aluminum Shock caps http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGHA3&P=7 and 4 Hard springs http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFUC6&P=M One in each corner. And the rechargeable Receiver pack. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLDK2&P=7 After that it will be fine for A while. This has been my set up for about a year now. No issues.
Old 03-18-2008, 09:55 PM
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I don't think you can go wrong with either one. They are in my opinion the two best bashers around. I have a Savage 4.6 and LOVE IT!! What I think should be the deciding facto for you is to go to your Local Hobby Store and see which one of the trucks has the most parts at the hobby shop. I have a Savage and my buddy has a MGT. We both love our trucks, and would definitely consider each truck if we were to buy another truck. But like I said, I would go to your hobby shop and see which truck they support more. The LSH by my house mostly supports HPI so I went with them.

You have to remember that these are not no hard core racers and wont be very competitive at the track without modifications. But both with take a huge beating and keep on going.
Old 03-18-2008, 10:39 PM
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Ok so I have made up my mind. There is a hobby shop within 30 miles of here who stocks parts for the mgt. I will be buying the mgt in a week or so. I am going to start my list tonight on things to order with it.

What do I need to get it running besides the MGT of corse

Fuel
Glow plug igniter
1600 mah pack
Charger for pack
after run oil
Air filter oil
fail safe
diff shims
shock caps
extra fuel line
FOC kit

Any spare parts or extra stuff I should keep around? IE screw kit, spare filter, ca glue for tires,

How long will a qt of fuel last? I have no idea how much to buy at once. A qt? gallon? 4 gallons?

I will add links to the list in just a bit. I am browsing for stufff now.

If you see anything I missed please feel free to let me know.
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A quart wont last long...it all depends on how often you use your truck. A gallon lasts about 24 tanks or so. A tank will last you 6-10 mins. I would also get some lock-tite and use it on all the drive cup screws as they tend to fall out. You should really use it on all screws that have metal to metal contact. Ca glue always comes in handy for anything. Keep an eye on the wheel nuts after each run or just lock-tite them in place. Other than that you should be all set for a while.
Old 03-18-2008, 11:05 PM
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if your going to put the fok in the trans you will cure the weakest part of the truck if you plan to do a lot of jumps keep a couple spare control arms around as far as fuel i use 20% blue thunder definitely buy by the gallon if i run allot i can use a gallon in a week it is a little hard on fuel i added a second fuel tank to extend run time i did not like the stock tires at all poor grip and roll over very easy over all i love the truck and associated stands behind it fairly well as far as the fuel line the stock line if fine i still use it never had any issues with shock towers or turnbuckles i have broken a couple control arms in bad wrecks you will like it i do recommend going thru the entire truck and making sure all screws and set bolts are tight before you run it i found several loose i hope this helps
Old 03-18-2008, 11:25 PM
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Nvm
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Ok I have the list together of what I think I would need/like to have along with my MGT. Here it is and please tell me if the things I have chosen are good.

Forward only kit http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFVB7&P=7
Fuel Line http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK129&P=ML
Shock Caps (2 sets) http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGHA3&P=7
1600 MAH pack http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMEY1&P=7
Fuel http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMGE5&P=7
Glow plug igniter http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLN92
Charger for pack http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXL331&P=V
after run oil http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXL391&P=ML
Air filter oil http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMYF5&P=7
fail safe http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXJDF8&P=ML
diff shims http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGPC9&P=7
Glow Starter Charging leads http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXL337&P=M
Hump Pack Charging Leads http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXL332&P=M
Fuel Bottle http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXMH56&P=OW
Copper Springs http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFUC6&P=M
Clutch kit http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGZM0&P=OW
RPM a arms (2sets) http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGWR4&P=OW
Servo Saver ??????????????????????Help please?????????????????????????????????????
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This is the servo saver you want - [link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXS361&P=FR]Kimbrough #124[/link]
Or - [link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFVA8&P=7]FT Servo Saver[/link]

The Kimbrough is all you really need though, it's tough.
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Default RE: Help me get started the right way.

Good list you've got there [sm=thumbup.gif]

I suggest you add these as well...

Spare knuckles http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXTLX5&P=7
Fr/Rr CVA rebuild kit http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFUB7&P=7
Centre axle rebuild kit http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFUG4&P=7
Spare turnbucke ends http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFUG9&P=7

[EDIT] And these http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGHA4&P=7
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go to this site it has about everything you need for parts for the mgt and seem cheaper than tower http://www.losipartshouse.com
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anyone found the truck for less than $360 lately?
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There are a few... [link=http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/1_44_50/products_id/18318]MMGT[/link] for one.
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Actualy I am looking for a monster gt not a mini monster gt.

This is the cheapest price I have found so far [link]http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=ASC20501!1007[/link]
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I would get it from tower because if you buy all that stuff you can get a big discount like 30 dollars off or somthing.
Oh and get these. Sorry I couldnt find the Hot bodies dust boots but I think these might work. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXHGF1&P=ML
These will definitly save your Cv pins from falling out
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There is almost a $30 dollar difference between tower and ultimate anyway. But how would I go about getting a discount from tower because my total list is over 600 now and I would like to get it under 600
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Ok buy the truck from Ultimate Hobbies Free shipping I believe. Buy all the Accesories from Tower. In all honestly just starting out I don't think you need ALL of the upgrades you listed , save your money and spend it on fuel! You really don't need the 2in1 Mip clutch, the stock one is perfectly fine. The multi charger isn't necessary. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFVD4&P=7 This will work for the receiver pack as the glow igniter already comes with a charger. Do your self a favor and pick up the fuel locally. Buy a gallon of it. Tower makes you buy either in quarts which is more expensive or at 4 gallons. Save your money for a good peak charger such as the dynamite ultra or GreatPlanes Triton or Duratrax ICE, they will pay for them selves later on if you decide to pursue the hobby further.
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ORIGINAL: Elite_Tux487

Ok buy the truck from Ultimate Hobbies Free shipping I believe. Buy all the Accesories from Tower. In all honestly just starting out I don't think you need ALL of the upgrades you listed , save your money and spend it on fuel! You really don't need the 2in1 Mip clutch, the stock one is perfectly fine. The multi charger isn't necessary. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFVD4&P=7 This will work for the receiver pack as the glow igniter already comes with a charger. Do your self a favor and pick up the fuel locally. Buy a gallon of it. Tower makes you buy either in quarts which is more expensive or at 4 gallons. Save your money for a good peak charger such as the dynamite ultra or GreatPlanes Triton or Duratrax ICE, they will pay for them selves later on if you decide to pursue the hobby further.
Very true.
the stock clutch last for over 10 gallons.
and you dont need the Rpm arms till you break somthing.
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One word of advice, or sentence to be exact.

Stay Away from that Glow Iginter, its a peice of Rubbish, Ive had 3 from Tower, all crapped out on me after a few starts.

All times they have been replaced, but Its the same problem, first the meter will stop working, and eventually the iginter itself. Id rather you go with a better one, its not even worth getting the tower one.

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