Hey Jarvis.
I'll be replacing the horns for sure I think. I haven't even looked at what is in the control surfaces yet. Hopefully something fairly solid. Probably just go with the mk stuff. Probably also go with ca hinges.
I was thinking of ripping the covering off and recovering with my scheme. Not sure on this one. After building the Eclipse, the focus II, the patriot and recovering Vic's Focus this year, not sure I'm up for covering another plane. We'll see. I'm a little worn out with building right now.
The Patriot fly's pretty good with the Axi. I need more speed. Flying it to slow. Which doesn't help in any rolling manuevers as the fuse isn't tall.
It really does fly pretty good though. I was suprised.
Chris

Hallo to All
Here are some photos
SR
crazyf3a

So, any updates when the release date will be on this beast I am looking at this plane for
probably next year or the year after for competition. I have a pattern plane right now that will
keep me busy for a while.

Crazyf3a,
What is you weight. Looks great [8D] Are you using stock hinges, landing gear, and hardware??


PS-Can someone post video of this thing in action

Team3d

It's available now call Ultra-RC.

Crazy F3A, I very much like your idea for hot plugging the packs outside of the aircraft, looks like fuel tube, it makes me feel at home


I spent some time in Klagenfurt last year, very beautiful town, even in the heart of winter. Have a Gösser for me!

Hi
The weight of the E-Evolution with KOKAM 10S2p 4000mAh is 4662 gr. The Lipo weighs 1140 gr.
Some parts original. Only the Carbon Gear is the original Synergy from ZN-Line.


Rendegade
A Gösser is everytime in stock. . Down Touch

SR
crazyf3a

Cool weight.
My 10s1p Flight Powers weigh like 950g so I should save a couple hundred ounces. Cool.

As for the airframe. Pretty bummed that the stab tube is so crooked. Had to cut it out and reglue it in.
I haven't checked the second airframe yet.
I do know that the fuse will need a little work to fit the cowls on both.
Also don't really care for the adjustable wing for the cg issue. Could be cool but I feel it would be hard to set up the controls for pattern and 3d and keep the precise feel I like when I fly pattern.
Good idea though. Just not for my situation.
I do like the plane. Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of good things about it. It's pretty impressive for the price. I would buy another.
Just listing the problems that are occuring for me so that you might check yours.
Chris

Chris, when do you think you will have the plane in the air? Stab tubes being mis-aligned is nothing new for most pattern pilots. We are too picky! (we want it correct or not at all). I'm waiting for one more set of batteries from BlackbirdRC and I'm going to start flying the Showtime - we'll see how this plane does and we can compare the two planes in flight.

sc

It will be a while I'm sure Scott. I'm down and out right now with this injury to my leg. Can't work so no money for new servo's, motor, esc, bills. LOL
I'm going to put the small Airtronics digitals in the wings and stabs. They will save several ounces over standard size servo's. I may goto the swap meet at Morgan Hill this weekend and sell a few planes. Not sure though.
And as for comparing the two planes, well I don't see much of a comparison in the two. The Evolution is a big plane. Not that you won't make the showtime look good. I'm sure you'd beat me with it.
As for the stab on this plane. It was way off, I don't think anyone would have flown it this way.
I've also found that the canopy latch wire is so close to the wing that its real hard to remove the canopy without digging into the wing with your finger nail. Not sure what I'll do with this yet as I already glued the wire in.
My batteries dont really fit in the pipe tunnel where they tell you to mount them. They would stick down 3/4 of an inch from the bottom of the fuse. Even 5300's would stick down I believe.
Another gripe. I tried to put the stock horn's on the rudder and found there is nothing there to screw them to. Just balsa. Not sure what I'll do with this yet.
I don't like the sliding wing to adjust for cg for different flying styles, as the fuse is different sizes from the front of the hole to the back. Therefore the wing tube sticks out at the back of the hole.
I remedied this and will post pics at some point. I wish I would have took pictures of the stab.
Anyway, off to the doctor.
Hope you get time to fly!! I'm heading out after the doc, before my afternoon doc.
Chris

Never thought I'd hear a man say size does not matter! Keep us posted on your leg, would be interested to know if just a tight muscle or not. I am changing the throws on the ST today for 'pattern' vs 3D, and we'll see what it can do. I have one elevator half that is ugly warped, and will fix this with carbon fiber (I hope)..

sc

Leg, well, pulled calf muscle is what the diagnosis is. He gave me some weak muscle relaxers that aint doing jack @#$*.....
I'm sure I'll get better in time.
I'm making progress on the evolution with my down time.

As for 3d throws, I'd be curious to see how much throw you can get without different lengths on the servo arms and the horns.

Let me know your carbon fiber method for repairing the warp. Both of the ailerons are warped on my evolution. Going to try the heat gun after I get them hinged and glued today.
Just got done hinging and gluing the elevator and rudder on.
Changed the tailwheel mount to my own. Saved 3 grams, lol..
I wish I lived a little closer so you could stop by to check this plane out though.
I have my gripes about it but it's still one heck of a deal for the money!!

I don't like the sliding wing to adjust for cg for different flying styles, as the fuse is different sizes from the front of the hole to the back. Therefore the wing tube sticks out at the back of the hole. I'm confused by this statement. I thought the design idea was to be able to adjust the location of the wing ,by moving the wingtube location, before completeing assembly to set the CG and then permanently attach the wing tube.

I have recieved my Evolution but not looked at the instructions yet, so I could be wrong. if so please correct me.

Eddie

No the wing tube never gets glued in.
Chris

so what is the weight of the plane with out servos or motor stuff ?

Scott Anderson
Team Tanicpacks.com
Team Castle Creations

I believe the instruction manual calls for either glueing in the tube or mounting multiple t-nuts to make the wing adjustable. It's your choice which to do.

No, this is incorrect.
Stated from manual.
"An adjustable wing does not allow for the gluing of this assembly in place permanently. Therefore we recommend gluing the frp (wing tube) to the ply supports and then screwing the ply (supports) to the fuse side."

Also stated
"This airplane was designed with an adjustable wing positioning system. This allows the wings to be maneuvered forward and back to obtain the proper as well as multiple wing positions for different types of flying and cg circumstances. Once the model is complete, the postion of the wings can be used to adjust the cg of the airplane."

I hope this clears it up.
Chris

Almost forgot. This is where the multiple t nuts come into play. When you adjust the wing back and forth, the 2 wing bolts for each side have a different t nut for different cg's.

I believe I posted all the weights somewhere in this thread Scott.
Chris

Now for My 2 cents
Chris you made the statement, that you would buy aother Evolution.
I would not waste my time or money. My World Models Zen120 was built 110% better
than the Evolution that I got from Ultra-RC. They where Notified of the problems, that
I have with the Evolution, an they have not responded yet , it's going on 2 weeks

1 The Canopy has a bad fit 3/16 inch gap between the fuse an canopy

2 The Cowling will not fit to small

3 Stab tube crooked

4 Ailiron , Elevator wraped

My Evolution must have been built on a friday, just before 5:00 pm,
I'm going to built and fix all the problems with my Evolution and sale it to a club member.
So don't waste your $430.00 dollars, Buy a Icepoint, much better value.

Hey Jarvis,
Ok, well. I made my statements before I started building really. Now that I have started I have found all of the same problems as you and then some. The cowl actually will fit if you put the bottom in first, then squeeze the sides, then slide the top in. Well, that's how I got mine to fit.

My ailerons are severly warped!! Don't know if I'll be able to straighten them or not. Haven't tried yet.
The coverering on both of mine has come really lose also. I'll probably recover it!!
The covering work is ok but the finish sanding leaves alot to be desired!!!!! Looks like they forgot to sand the wings and stabs!
One of the Evolutions I have has the canopy gap and the other doesn't.
As I have been getting more accomplished, I keep thinking that these planes were put together by some 6 year old kids in a sweat shop!!!!!!!

Jarvis, they have alot of problems, but I have yet to buy an arf that meets my expectations.
You and I know each others build qualities. It's hard to live up to them when you buy an arf.
I'm trying to remember each time I get pissed about the quality that it's not a $3300 Oxai!!!
It's a $430 dollar Ultra Rc.

I doubt you will get an answer from them as that's been their way of doing business as rumor has it!!!!!!!

Good luck J

Chris

Ok,
So for some more interesting info. I installed my Axi tonight and grabbed ahold of the motor and mount, as I don't care for the way the firewall is mounted, and I put a little pressure on it. Up and down. Well, the firewall flex's easily. Hardly any pressure for it to flex.

My plane hasn't made it to the sun yet and the heat in the garage in messing the canopy up!!

These are the new things I've found.
So things wrong with this plane are abundant.
I'm not so sure I'd recommend it any more!! Even for the price!!

Jarvis, did you ever get them to respond to your emails or phone calls?
Chris

wow guys, sorry to hear about all the problems, I guess I am the lucky one here. I am starting to think UPS did me a favor. They didn't seem to like the plane either ; )

that firewall issue sounds bad and I was going to hang a YS 140 on it. wow....

good luck ya'll,

dean


ps, I am going to unsubscribe to this thread - starting to turn into a bummer.....

Does anyone with a damaged Evolution have a good canopy.
Mine was shipped to my store ok but then while transpoorting it home from the store, I damaged the canopy.[:@]
I'm trying to contact Ultra Rc to find out if replacements are available, but no answer yet.
So if you have one that survived, I'd like to purchase it.
thanks
Eddie

Where is Brian (Ultra RC) in all this? Brian you were wonderful helping me with my Icepoint.. what has happened? I have spoken to a few that now dislike the Revolution so much they are not building it any longer. I hope the issues can get resolved for those that bought the kit. What concerns me is that I got and Email from Ultra RC telling me the Revolution kits are in, and had I of got one, I'd be posting here also. It's hard to believe these problems were overlooked.

sc

Hey, Chris

Not Yet, No E-mail or Phone Call
An the funny thing about it, is that if you go to the Top of the Forum page
An check the " Viewing Related Thread" Ultra-RC is viewing the Evolution thread.
So I e-mail Brian, to see if he would like to respond to the Evolution's problems
Now let's wait an see. I'm starting to think that they must have, Caller I.D. on there phone lines.
I was going to get buy a C A Models Epsilon 140 kit from Aeroworks for $349.00 , Before
I got the Evolution, My friend just got he's, nices kit

Yeah, I saw UltraRc is viewing.
Too funny that they won't help their customers.
What a shame. I thought they had a good thing going.

I'm actually laughing at this plane. It's too funny when I find something else.

I thought about an epsilon a while back. I think it's time for some Imac anyhow. I keep looking at the quality of my Hanger 9 Extra (33%) and wonder why no one can duplicate that quality in a 2m pattern kit for $850.
I'll try fixing all the problems with this, but I think it will mean that I need to pull all the covering off the wings, ailerons, and elevators, break all the joints loose, and reglue them on a flat table. Obviously they didn't have one!! Then I'll have to do something about the canopy gap and then I'll have to do something about the canopy.
haha, nah, that's too much work!!


I think I'll just reinforce my firewall and 3d this plane till I crash it. Shouldn't take me long with my track record this year! haha Who know's maybe it'll fly good all warped up.. sure, right, haha

Why do you need another plane? Don't you have like 10 of em ready to go????[:-]
Chris