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Old 09-23-2009, 10:48 AM
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Default 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

Hi Fellow modelers!
Since 2x2 meter planes are too expensive for me, I'd like to build a kit or good flying ARF of a good pattern plane of given size. I had Kyosho Osmose with O.S FS 70 Ultimate in it, and I must admit, that it was a great plane, I won several local competitions with it, but since I started flying F3M, I had to sell it to raise founds for my 3 meter bird.
But I don't want to repeat myself, and want to build something different, maybe slightly bigger.
My candidate should have Pipe tunnel, because i would like to use J'En .91 engine with purple pipe.
3D flying option would be great too, but not obligated, all I need is it to track true and perform good snaps.
Preferably airplane should be for sale in europe, because of crazy customs fees, but for a good kit, I'll pay customs
I'm looking for your advise. Thanks a lot!
Old 09-23-2009, 05:52 PM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

CA Models Epsilon .90 should be everything you're after

http://www.camodel.com.ar/modelos/Ep...silon90ing.htm
Old 09-24-2009, 02:02 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

I was looking at it, just thought that maybe there's something else.. Pretty much modifications are necessary to make a pipe tunnel. Maybe there's something else than CAmodel?
Epsilon is 2004 design if I'm not mistaken. So something fresh would be cool
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:18 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

DronN ... the CMPro Swallow flies decent and is able to handle a long pipe. Flown it with a 120 2C without a tuned pipe and she was nice. But she is definitely no a fresh design.
Old 09-24-2009, 05:15 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

120 is too big for my nitro taste Since 20 flights/ weekend is normal for me, it will equal many gallons and $$ in fuel
It's 90 size, but CMpro- too much china inside I'm looking for wooden kit or arf.
Thanks tough
Old 09-24-2009, 12:16 PM
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Hello
the tally ho from topmodel is an awesome plane, cheap and very well built and covered (with true oracover)
http://www.topmodel.fr/product_detail.php?id=12477
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:50 PM
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DronN ... too much China inside? Hahahahaa ... you are funny! Guess you want something of quality ... its like 95% of all planes are made in China nowadays. Hope you find something nice soon. Guess a kit would be the way to go. Aaaah ... maybe you can try to find a Kyosho GTrick. That plane is nice too.
Old 09-25-2009, 12:30 AM
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20 flights in a weekend! WOW! your brain must be toast!

Hanno Prettner once told me that in the lead up to competitions, he'd fly 3 flights a day, but every day, as he could himself lose focus on any more than three flights.

As regards the Swallow, I had mine on a piped, pumped, Super Tirgre G90 and it was a good ship but as has already been stated, The design is long-in-the-tooth, and I think there are some SERIOUS design flaws in the aircraft as well.

Epsilon is good but open bay which I personally find a little bit crap.

G-tricks are really hard to come by.

If you can find an "unbusted" Fliton Inspire (or it's copy) they're acutally quite good, but most people are putting YS 110's in them
Old 09-25-2009, 12:34 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

Renegade ... DronN is a serious flyer hence the 20 flights a weekend. Anyways, the Fliton copies are not bad at all ... they are like 95% the same but cost much lesser. We had a lot of them at one LHS here.
Old 09-25-2009, 12:40 AM
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Renegade ... DronN is a serious flyer hence the 20 flights a weekend. Anyways, the Fliton copies are not bad at all ... they are like 95% the same but cost much lesser. We had a lot of them at one LHS here.

How does flying 20 times a weekend make you serious?
Old 09-25-2009, 05:08 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

Rendegade ... its meant to be like a joke, statement that is light hearted, said in jest ...
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

Did anybody said VENUS 1.20?!?!?!

I can also advice ACCIPITER form phoenix models; goes very weel with a .90: see photo...

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Old 09-25-2009, 05:44 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

When I started in Pattern I flew a Epsilon 90 with a OS120AX . . awesome combination, and great flying plane. Although I have never flown one with a 90, I am not sure I would want less than the 120 in it.

Jas has a new thingy he is testing at the moment . . Eon 110? . . looks trick (pic of it below). Seems like it may go well on a 90, but Jas is using a 120AX. There's a little bit about it over here . . http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9110170/tm.htm

I am not sure the 90 would be much cheaper to run than an OS120AX really . . do 18 flights on a weekend instead of 20 and you would probably be there. Don't think you would miss the two flights

Cheers, JB
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:18 AM
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

Thanks Guys for your replies
Woow Eon looks great!
About china- I know that everything is made in there nowdays, but Cmpro is factory that designs and produces models in china, cool pilots don't design planes for Cmpro, so I'd rather trust better company based in Europe or USA, who's models are tested by good and known pilots.
About 20 flights- well, I'm young, I enjoy this hobby, it's pretty most of my life now. I work in LHS, 10 in the morning I'm there, 7 Pm I'm out there, 8Pm- I'm home, eat a bit, and then I fly sim usually for 2-3 hours 5 days a week, I spend weekends At field, yeah I'm upsessed with model airplanes. Pictures of my crib are attached lower.

120 or 90, I choose 90 size because of engine that I really like- J'En .91 (www.justengines.unseen.org) It's basically a 60 size engine with bored out liner. I know it's not the best solution, but price/weight/performance ratio is very good. Replacement piston group costs $70 (conrod, piston, liner) that's why I want to stick to 90 size airplanes.

My etalon is CAmodel Pass-port, but @ $2000+ I can't make it.

Maybe there is something more in 90 size area?
Thanks!
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:38 AM
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Look at the elation models Rapture - http://www.elation-f3a.co.uk/shop/pa...Ia&shop_param=
Old 09-26-2009, 04:24 AM
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Wooooooooow, thanks! I'm in love! Have you flown it? Any info would be great! How does it perform snaps, spins? Couldn't find any info, or pictures..
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Default RE: 60 to 90 Size F3A Pattern Kit or ARF

you have to choose carefully because most designs of the last years are based on a AX120/YS110/Saito 125. So they tend to be just a bit bigger.

I flew a Fliton Infinity which might still be sold ( https://www.quicktechhobby.com/Airpl...obatic_arf.htm or http://www.probuild-uk.co.uk/content.php?id=61 ) which in my opinion is still the best around in that size. It was such a smooth flier! Better also then the Fliton Inspire-90. In my opinion Fliton replaced it becaused there were so many copies around.

I flew it with OS91 with pipe. Perfect combination. Only issue is the one-piece wing.

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Old 09-27-2009, 01:51 PM
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Rapture is beautiful, but not tested, I emailed Elation Models, it's a single man deal, and production takes long, so it's not available, and it's untested design, beeeeeautiful tough.
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What is this Fliton Inspire COPY everyone is talking about? Any links?
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Just to put the record straight, DronN did email me and asked about videos of the the Rapture 110 in spins and snaps. I replied saying that I did not have a video of the model flying. To say that the model is untested is untrue. Both the prototype and the one on the website have been used in Advanced class competition, which obviously includes snaps and spins. I would not dream of putting a design out for sale that is not proven.

I may be a one man band, but having dealt with the main manufacturers when I had a retail outlet, I know which models I would be happier flying!
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ORIGINAL: okelly

What is this Fliton Inspire COPY everyone is talking about? Any links?

In my opinion they mean the Fliton Infinity copy. One example is the link I provided in an earlier post. In the end you could buy this plane directly in China for 169$

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I remember a few years back there was a lot of talk about the Fliton copies, it was available in the US. In Malaysia its carried by a LHS and that was rebranded under a Singaporean company. I saw the planes and they did look good except for the 50 sized Extra 330. Rest were exact duplicates. My pal has the Quiet Storm copy NIB and I will see if the box carries any address of the manufacturer, I doubt it will since it was rebranded under DuraHobby, of which seems to have ceased business.
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Steve, all I want to find, is a good plane, not bash somebody, but when I receive mail from manufacturer himself saying: "movements required for F3A manoeuvres are only small but the construction allows for larger movements so it should enable 3D type manoeuvres.''
So I think that you don't work with profiles that much, there are very much small things in profile which determines slow speed characteristics (wing rock in this situation),
so If only tail surface throws make the plane 3D, than I don't understand anything in aerodynamics, sorry If I didn't understand something in what you was trying to say.
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That Rapture is simply one of the most beutyfull ship I've ever seem!!!! I'm sure it's a great performer too!!!!!
Cheers!!!
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Hi Andrew (DronN) Yes , the model was designed around F3A style schedules not 3D. At least we are both now singing from the same hymn sheet! I hope this clears it up for everybody reading this. No hard feelings.

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