Ca Model Eclipse
 

Hi!
can some tell how is this plane compare to the zn and pl models ...talking about kit quality flying and ...you know ...is it worth to pay almost double prize for for example a Lazulit?
Rune

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Dear friends,
maybe you can ask Mark Lesemberg or Andrew Jessky, they can tell you the performance of this model, they used to fly a PL, now they changed for a CAmodel.
Our kits has improved a lot its quality in fiberglass and finishing since the beggining. Paying more not always means to get the best.

We can assure that we have an excellent product.

CAmodel

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Here (in Spain) we have a lot of pilots flying the Eclipse. The current F3A -b spanish champion (Fernando Martin) is flying an Eclipse and also Fantasy. I notice many pilots are choosing CA Model planes, because its high quality. I saw 2 versions in my field (kit and ARf) and I can tell you both versions come excellent. We compare the flights and the Eclipse flies as good as a Smaragd or Zn. So I agree when they say "pay more doesnt mean to get the best" . Also I saw Marcelo, last year flying the Fantasy and his Eclipse in Spain, and I falled in love with the Eclipse. I have a Widebody 60 (flies great!) and order one Eclipse kit , 2 days ago. I´m waiting my kit arrives on monday or tuesday. I will let you know more about it.
JL

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Marcelo, Lets get to the truth here about Andrew Jesky and Mark Leesburg flying your models.
1. Both these flyers are flying these planes because we at Planes Plus provided them with 2 hand picked the best of the bunch airplanes at no charge. However both needed work and modification prior to the flying them.
2. I guess it remains to be seen if these flyers will continue to fly these planes once our new 2 pattern planes and 3d planes hit the market here soon.
3. No question your planes are capable in the hands of the right flyers, but to just pull them out of the box and have them perfect is not something we observed in the 40 planes we saw.

I hope you are right and that your quality on these planes has improved as competition is good for the customer and only makes us manufacturers strive to make our products better and cheaper.

Last of all I would like to thank Mark and Andrew and our other team members for their support of Planes Plus and our products.

Don Kanak
Planes Plus Inc

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Answering to you Kanak, I don't want to argue with you. All I can tell you is that we improve our models every day. As we someday said, if we had any problem we tried to work it out. And you know it's like that.
It's true we "gave" AJ a plane. But it was 50% Planes Plus and 50% CAmodel. But it's not true that it was a special plane. We have never done a special model for anyone. I have here the reports where Andrew speaks about he's very happy with the model, its weight, its flying, etc.
Let's talk about only one pilot but there's a long list that are already flying the Eclipse all over the wolrd (do you need the report of each one?)
I don't think it's correct now that you don't comercialize our products any more that you try to discredit us. We have over 25 years in aeromodeling, it's not only for my bussines, I love what I do!! Aeromodeling is my life, aerobatics over all. It makes me happy with every profit and it makes me more powerfull everytime somebody speaks negativily about us beacuse that helps me to improme. I don't think this is the place to discuss this, all I want to do is clarify what you're saying.
Time will say who is telling the truth.

I wish you good luck in your new bussines.

Marcelo

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Don,

Just a word of advice from an old sale type. Good salesmen don't run down the competition - especially if they worked with them in the past. I just reduces their credibility.

Sam

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I don't have an Eclipse but I have an ARC version of the CA Widebody 60 and
the quality and workmanship is superb. The only problem I had was the canopy
is scratched. Didn't bother me as I had already planned to use a different canopy
anyway. If I had any suggestion for CA models it would be to pack them a little
more secure. It's a long trip from Argentina.
From what I've seen the ZN and PL kits are flawless but MAJOR difference in price.

tommy s

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Not to mention the difficulty of getting the ZNLine or PL Prod kits in the USA. I am really looking forward to a wood fuselage pattern kit, but I really like to build!! Keep us posted Marcello!
-Will B.

RE: Ca Model Eclipse
 

Marcello,

As long as this thread is talking about the Eclipse and quality and since I haven't received any replies to my emails, let me ask a question. Have you sent the 4 sets of replacement Eclipse wings to me? They didn't show up last week as promised. I anxiously await the wings and your reply.

Thanks

Dan Curtis

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Hello Warrior!
Whats the reason for the replacement ??
Rune

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It seems Don Kanak just wants to sell the new planes that he is going to bring out. I agree with Sam ;" Good salesmen don't run down the competition - especially if they worked with them in the past ". . .I have always heard of Don as an nice man, But his attitude of salesman, makes me distrust on him.
Now, let me talk about my planes, I have a Widebody 60 , its a great plane. I bought the kit version, and I can say is a high quality kit. I enjoy very much during the contruction and his performance on flight is excellent. And today I receive my Eclipse kit. I just open the box , and it seems the packaging is perfect. The fuse is very light , and the fiber quality seems excellent, and the sheeted parts came carefully covered with foam. The only problem are the Intructions in English, I´m from Spain, so I prefered spanish version. My Widebody 60 kit included the instructions in Spanish. But the Eclipse has in English version. I will e mail to Marcelo, they should add a .pdf instructions on their web site. I dont know when I´ll sart to build it, but I´m happy with my purchase, I´m sure it was a good choice.
JL

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I purchased an Eclipse pattern model. I got the kit. I have not flown it yet but
I have to say that it is an excellent kit. I had to do some questions to Camo-
del ; I received a fast and complete answer to my questions, Marcelo gave me
very good support. Next time I have to buy a pattern plane, it will be from Ca-
Camodel.

RE: Ca Model Eclipse
 

Marcello and staff,

Thanks so much for the call this morning. I glad to find out that the lack of communication seems to be merely a problem with email from CA to my inbox, that can happen.

Guys I am very happy to report that CA Models indeed has my replacement wings on the way and the delay was simply due to a inventory depletion that took a few days to replenish. CA Models indeed seems to be standing by there products and more than willing to take that extra step to resolve any problems that might occur. The post was placed on RCU because I knew that CA Models monitored this forum and it would open another line of communication, since email was just not getting the job done.

Thanks again CA staff

Dan Curtis
NSRCA D5 VP

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Dan it's stand up that you took the time to report that the problem has been resolved. For what it's worth I've seen a number of these planes at contests over the last year and for the most part they are pretty nice. Some of the owners have reported minor problems with the planes but most have done pretty well with them. Were lucky to have guys like Marcelo working hard to get a quality product at an affordable price to our very limited and I'm sure at times very low profit margin market. Any new company can have growing pains but it's the good ones who learn from there mistakes and get better. Mike

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Lot off answers!
but i think i read some place that it was recomended to move the wing and stab ...is this done to the model(original) or what is it recomended to do?Marcello it seems that we are going to order but from Spain shipp them to France and pic them up there, but i wanna get as much info as possible! and is it not possible at all to get the fuse with karbon\kevlar in basic kit?
not even if we order them like this?
Rune

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Rune
I ordered my Eclipse from Spain, I heard they also have a karbon / kevlar version. But I´m not sure if its a kit / arc or arf version. Maybe you should contact to them and ask .

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Who sells the Eclipse in the US now? I am looking for a high quality kit.

RE: Ca Model Eclipse
 

The kits are being sold in the US by Ultimate RC 918-258-0061

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Roger that....Russ at Ultimate RC is flying one and has several options of the Eclipse for sale. He can fix you up.
Chris

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I can confidently say I have built more CA Models than anybody else in the USA and the Eclipse was the worst plane that I have every built. I built the one Mark Leesberg is flying, the wing fit took many, many hours to redrill ed antirotation pins, refit the wing tube in the fuse so the wings were level and then had to to the same for the stabs. The belly pan fit like it was from a different kit!

As far as how it flys, I will not contend that, but bang for your buck, this plane is $700.00 over priced. You cant possibly put the Eclipse in the same catagory as PL Products or ZN Line. The statement "You get what you pay for" is the truth.

I know for a fact that the Jesky family went through the same thing, we spoke many times about it. It is not sower grapes on Don Kanaks part, he had to suffer through many calls from me to get different parts to try to get this plane in the air. I sent serverl e-mails direct to CA Models without answer. I speek directly from my experience.

Kitman

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So where can you get info on the Pl kits or the ZN lines?

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Four_Stroker,

You can go to www.plprod.com or www.centralhobbies.com


Kitman

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Kitman!
Was this a arf or basic kit??or rtf!
its a lot of extra work if its done but and you have to take it apart and redo it!
Rune

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Rune,

Here is the bad part, this was suppose to be their best of the best ARF. I had to redo way to much just to get it straight, not to mention repairs. I will say it like this, if I had purchased the plane for my personal plane I would had driven to Plane plus and thrown it through their window. I would have been better off to start with a basic kit, it would have been done sooner.

One word of advice "Look carefully before you buy, price is not always the best"


Greg Poppel