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Don,
The final weight before fuel is right on 10.5 lb. (10 lb 8 oz)

The controls are still the same as when I originally re-ironed them at the beginning of the build. If you have seen me wring out a plane for snaps you would know that I really give an airplane no respect at all.

Actually did the reverse avalanche first and then the FAI F-07 Finals double that has a negative snap on the bottom. No issues at all. The elevatrors are not that big, nor are they counter balanced so the stress is not that high IMHO.

To flutter there really would need to be a poor linkage or soft horn installation. With an 8311 SA on each elvator half it reduces the chances of flutter. You know we/they used to fly a lot faster with open structures in the pre-turnround days. I can, however, understand the concern about a covered-open-structure elevator, but so far none of them have miss-behaved even when flown S&L at full speed.

I am always looking for good options below $500. If you are looking at options above that then you are way past my input :)

Regards,

Eric - who is hoping that the local lightning storm does not kill his high-speed connection[&:]

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Eric Please let us hear from you on the gear thing.
Thanks Kirk

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I'm getting there on the gear question- I can only answer one question at a time :):)

First of all, the pipe tunnel needs of a fixed-gear airplane dictate some kind of arrangement that clears the pipe and or header run. This usually puts the mounting mechanisms above the pipe. Ultra-R/C elected to go either side of the pipe with CF tubes. A novel method that works for most but can fail to handle rough landings. I must hastily say that sooner or later each of us will make a very bad landing for whatever reason. I have had failures with all of the current blade-type CF landing gears over the last five or so years. I have made pretzels out of ali-gear and bent every retract-leg I ever owned ;)

Landing gear performance is thus a very big question with a lot of variables that concerns and affects us all. I cansay that my Giles 202 with the Ultra-R/C identical landing gear in a heavier model has held up held up so far with my landings and the landings of its current owner. (An improving sport-flyer). The gear, as we have seen from other posts, is not however unbreakable.

This is how I look at the gear question. If you make the gear too strong it will transfer the forces like a collar bone fracture when you fall on your wrist. I have taken into consideration the good ideas that have been put forward in the G202 thread and will try them for myself.

The catch is that if I brace the legs with carbon fiber rod inserts and it never fails, I still don't know if it would ever have failed?????

In your case (a rough grass field) I would consider adding an insert into the leg of 4.8-mm (0.190 inch) carbon tube or rod. My current thinking is to not glue it in there to let it act like a leaf-spring. I cleaned the inside of the CF leg-tube first, with the right sized brass K&S tube.

BTW - I fly almost exclusively from grass that is not that great, long and with occasional mounds.

Regards,

Eric.

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Thanks sorry for the impatience but you are the man . Now if I can get mine built ,I have a new Webra 145 I am going to try in it .

Thanks Kirk

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Thanks Eric

We all want there to be low cost options avail for those emergency situations as well as planes new entrants to the pattern field can select. There are a few Evolutions here in the Northern California area and we are all anxiously awaiting their flights.

Thx

Woodie (Don Atwood)

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

Hey Don, I can give you a review right now. The plane fly's like it's on rails. There is no mixing required in KE. I added or took out a little right thrust and it tracks perfect now. The plane snaps great. The key test for me is will the reviewer fly the plane in competition for a year, or do they sell it and move on?

Scott

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Scott, that's great!!! Did you fly Kevin's or were you holding out on us about having a new pattern plane? ;-)

Don

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Scott, you're too much. LOL

I won't talk any more smack about this plane until after tomorrow. And only if I don't hear from Bryan. I will call him tomorrow like a bill collector!! hahaha

As for the evolution, well, several at the contest yesterday witnissed a few of my issues. They all said I have very valid complaints.

Hey Eric, I'll trade ya kits!! lol

Chris

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Seems to me its a little Chicken S#%! to call a guy out on this forum then expect to get help out of him. That's Rich I must say. If I owned Ultra RC I'd hand you the money back for the kit, and then put you on my sponsor list. That is I would pay you to not ever fly, use, or buy any of my products. You not flying them would be the best advertising the company could ever get.

I don't have a problem telling the truth about a product. There are products out there that are definately below standard, but then you change your tune on a little lovin' from the company. This model may be below standard, but so is its price. Well below standard, so let them have a little growing pains and maybe just maybe the product will get better with time. This isn't like buying a new Chevy or Ford. In that market you can expect to not have problems. But in the pattern market you just bought the yugo of pattern models and bash it for not being the caddy.

The guy calls you back and tells you he will take care of your problems then you are his best buddy and tell everyone how great he is. Then, a couple weeks later your bustin' his balls again. Come on, get over it. You're just not that good, nobody is that good.

This crap is what keeps companies from introducing models in this $400-600 range. If you are "a modeler" and can solve some problems I think Eric shows it can make a decent model. There is no way in hell this is the quality of model that you expect it to be. Your looking at guys there in California flying Pinnacles, Berylls, Genesis and Angel Shadows, and then P!$$*&^ and Moaning about having to straighten a warped aileron. Well how does this sound you can buy 4-5 of these Evolutions for the price of a Genesis, and 6 of them for the price of the Angel or Oxai models. You don't see the guy buying a H9 33% for $800 and then throwing stones that its not as good as his Huffmeir built Carden Extra.

I'll agree that you get what you pay for and thats it my friend. If you are the great modeler you pride yourself on then what is a little extra work to make a $400 model do what you want.

You don't seem to have anything nice to say about much except the electric setup your buddy is selling. Get over it Chris, you don't have to chime in on everything then attack others the same way.

Like I said you are just not that good Brother! This is a little deep but Sacrates (Sp?) said the most knowledge a man can have is that he doesn't know it all.

I say this with Luv man, you need some tact in the forums, need some skills in modeling, and you need to check your keyboard into rehab. Perhaps you need to put those mad modeling skills you have to work and come up with your own model like Mike Hester did. He's a blow hard too but at least he stopped bi$%^&* and designed and built a model himself.

Allen March

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Too funny.
Don't pretend you know me from these forums Allen. I have nothing to do with blackbird rc and acutally don't barely ever talk to Tom anymore.

Here's the deal smart ---, I have many arfs in the same size and price from other manufacturers. They are all straight and of much better quality than this. There is no reason that a manufacturer should introduce a "pattern" arf and that we should expect it to be less quality than what a Imac arf is, in the same price range. Do you agree there smarty pants?? huh, do you??

Do you own my evolution? do you? Do you want to? Trust me, you'd complain also.
And maybe if you know the story that I was told by Brian, you would be upset also.
And if I want to call someone out on here, I will. This is a forum you know. Just as you have called me out. (Which is fine with me) You are a hypocrite for this though!! Don'tcha think..

Look jake, the reason this thread got started was as a good thing. Then Jarvis called me out saying he had issues. Then as I started building I found issues. I don't want someone coming up to me someday saying they bought this plane because I said it was great and that they were unhappy with it. Therefore I posted the issues. If I had it all to do again, I wouldn't have started this thread.

Maybe you should invest in a few of these seeing as you love them so much!!

C

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Oh Allen..


And btw.

I AM THAT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chris

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Allen is dead right. Tired of reading your posts and all your pissing and moaning. Build your own if you're so great. You can certainly tell the professionals from the jerks. Eric did a great job of getting the plane ready for flight while you're still crying in your milk. Get over yourself!!!!!!

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

evolution landing gear reinforcment sugestion,central hobbies cf pushrods will fit very well inside stock landing gear struts ca and let her rip.

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

Don't read my posts then if you don't like them. Obviously you find them entertaining enough to read. lol
I have given alot of people on here good building advice through emails and pm's that they send me. If you can't see what happened in this thread then you are blind.

Pi$$ing and moaning??? OK, well, I can see that in some of my posts here and there, but if you read the whole thread, you may see why.

And btw if I'm just pushing Tom's products, why would I start an eflite 160 thread?

Its funny that alot of people go on rcu and speak their minds about the aircraft they buy. Isn't that aloud? I'll have to go re read the rules.. LOL



See, the problem with someone coming out and saying that he recieved a unacceptable kit with some of you is that you guys accept everything. Maybe because you don't notice the problems, maybe because you don't care because a warped plane won't limit your scores.
Should I just accept a product that has issues. If you bought a tv and it wasn't up to par, wouldn't you want an exchange?

Look, some of us speak our minds on here, maybe at times, a little too much comes out. I'll give you that. I'm not denying it. But I am the type of person that speaks my mind. I don't sit back in a hole and just think that "I have to take s from anyone", cuz I don't. Neither do you guys, and I have no problem with you telling me I'm an A hole. But, if you were getting the runaround, you would have probably done the same thing I did. You would be frustrated also.

The jerk

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

Good tip!

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My opinion about the landing gear is this.
If the landing gear plates are strong enough ( and I'll probably try to strengthen them) then the struts are most definitely strong enough to handle most "good" landings. With this style of landing gear setup what you want is the weakest point to be the struts. ON a "not so good" landing that's hard enough to break something, then you want the strut to break. If the plate is strong enough and holds at this point then all you do is insert a new strut and you're good to go.

I've been watching Nat Penton's setup for several years now and when he has had a mishap that broke anything, it has been the strut that broke. In case you're not familar with his setup, Nat runs his landing gear struts through the foamcore wings, has for years.

we all have seen ( as stated above by someone ) the blade type gear break & the landing gear plates break. Not fun to repair.

Eric - thanks for the explanation on installing the wing adjusters.

Eddie

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

Ref. "Don't think Eric's plane wasn't hand selected for him. I'm sure it was."


This is simply not true. Mine was randomly picked from the few not yet shipped from the current batch. All the parts were sealed.

You know, there is not a reader of this thread that does not know that patternflyer1 is unhappy. Trying to use me to make the above point is supposition that is both unfounded, unfair, and bordering on malicious.


Eric.

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Edited my post Eric. I apologize.

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MMMMMM How's that Crow Chris? :D

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Just a general thought -

We don't get points for "pretty" in pattern. Yet it is our (pattern pilots) nature to compete. I have seen us compete like mad with each other at a video games arcade when waiting for the rain to stop. Who has the best engine, gas-glow or electric etc., who has the best build, best paint job, control connections, you name it. I have even seen piots compete to see who is the best judge! It all counts for nought when the points you get are for how you fly - right.?

Wood roaches, carbon queens etc. all have to fly, in the end, under the command of you the pilot.

We keep falling for the elephant-pit-trap of being an eletist. The trouble with being superior is that you have no one left to look up to! (Eric 2006).

I say all of this, because low-end, as in dollars, pattern ARF's draw a lot of fire from high-end pattern pilots, experienced builders and pattern suppliers. Surely they can see that a pattern pilot has to begin somewhere. The unbridled denegration that I have seen of late can only serve to discourage more pilots from trying out our sport.

I'm going to stay with my 1999 plan of showing what is out there that will fly our routines. The options are not always perfect but if they work I'll write about them and how to fix any problems if I know how.

Regards,

Eric.

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"Isn't that aloud?"

I'd say it is very LOUD and tiring.:)

RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

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I really appreaciate Eric's efforts to wring out the ARF's in the pattern market. It's not just the newbies that appreciate having cheapo ARF's. Here's the bottom line for me: I don't care how much fun Pattern is, I cannot justify dropping $4000 on an airframe that is just for entertainment purposes. Especially when I could easily end up taking that $4K home in a garbage bag due to no fault of my own. I don't know about the rest of you, but the fame, chicks, and prize money that comes from a season of pattern competition just doesn't pay the bills like it used to. Therefore, it is ARF's for me on the Pattern circuit. If I have to do a little work and modifications on a $450 ARF, then so be it. . I am still WAY ahead than when I bought my first true pattern model for $350 that consisted of an empty fiberglass fuse and some styrofoam blocks in an unmarked box. Also, if the reason I didn't take home the "big money" at a contest is because my crappy ARF didn't water the judges eyes, then I'm OK with that too. Heck, I may even go back to flying without wheel pants again!!
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RE: Ultra Rc Evolution
 

Tastes good. LOL

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It costs just as much time to build these things straight as it does to build them crooked. I'm betting that Ultra will have the second shipment corrected.

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If they do, could it be because of my conversation with Bryan about them??? Would they even know they exist if I hadn't brought it up?

Ok fellas, I don't mind eating crow once in a while and being put in my place. It's good for me. I understand why some of you may take this as whining.
And the fact that I laid off of ultra rc for a couple of weeks you may not understand.
I was told by alot of you to try talking with ultra rc about the issues instead of bringing them to the forum. Therefore being the reason I said I wish I hadn't posted the issues. I saw what you were talking about. Take the issue to the manufacturer. No problem. So I did.

But then Bryan is now 6 days late with a phone call. So I make comment of it. Look fellas, I'm tired of it. It's draining on me. Why can't I get a straight one? Is it too much to ask for?

Look, I'm not trying to talk anyone into liking me. I could care less about that. But I just don't think you understand what has went on behind the scenes here. I could post it, but you'd take it out of context I'm sure..

If and when I get a Evolution set up I will post my feelings good or bad. That's what rcu is for. Information.

C