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I sure hope that's a phony because it sure is ugly!!

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It looks real, at least the photo does. Resembles a pattern plane with an extra wing. :D

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That little Hydeaway in the background looks like a fun 'back seat' flyer. The biplane looks great too!

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Its real...Going to fly it this coming weekend.

Extra? come on when was the last time an extra had a swept back and Double taper wing?

Its more Ultimate than anything....

Troy Newman

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I take it that GW didn't capitalize the 'e' for a reason.

The resemblance to the Ultimate is certainly there though.

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I think I just saw the price of F3A double.

Now we have to wait and see what CPLR and the rest of the Europeans come out with.

Any ideas on what the benefits if any are there to using a biplane over the monoplane?

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Is that Chip Hyde's new Double Vision?
Sure looks like his colors!!!
Dunno about being ugly, looks pretty good to me!!!!!!!!!!

Seems that the with the two wings, it would be really easy to tell if the wings are level.
I guess thats because of the unbroken view of the top wing?
Good for the pilot, but maybe not the scores!!!!!!!
Or is this just me?

What do you think about the weight? Could be getting very close to 5kg (11lb)?
Or not?

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Cdallas2, the price should not be double, from what I can understand the main $ are in the carbon kevlar fuses.
Sure adding an extra wing, along with changes to fuse formers, etc will sure drive the price up, but I can't see that 2x normal cost is likely?

The classic kit with the wings already sheeted will probably rise a fair bit in cost, as compared to a classic kit of a single winged plane from ZN.

But the Basic kit (cores not sheeted) should not be a whole lot dearer.

Maybe Mark Novak can help here, in estimated costs?

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Cameron,

Don't worry about the first part of my post. I was just trying to be a Smarta**.

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Well its a hydeaway with ultimate wings, just what I imagined. The only thing I dont like is the center wingbrace, needs some angle.. awesome

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It looks like a lot of sq inches of wing area.
How many?

Is the idea that a bipe has more drag for slower down-lines or do you just want those bipe like snaps?

Well the proof is always in the pudding, or tasting or something along those lines.

I have a friend with an Ultimate bipe that rolls surprisingly well and snaps even better.

Let us know how you get on.

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flyfalcons does get the prize. baby e there for a reason.

I bet Chip does great with it, he always does. He could fly a whales rear end and win.

The price it appears is $2200 from Japan at the moment( i do not know what you ge at this price) , with ZNLine producing the kit later this year.

To me it looks alot like a HydeAway of sorts with Ultimate shaped wings. Im sure alot of effort has went into it, and he will be well rewarded for his efforts.

Go getum Chip.

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Built in drag, amazing rudder authority, low wing loading in a very compact form (in general). Biplanes always seem to look better in rolling maneuvers than monoplanes to me.. And they're almost cheating for rolling circles.

Also.. it really looks very little like a Hydeaway with 2 wings if you see the entire airplane better. The drawings Chip sent me as these were being built look very nice. It's something close to 1600 square inches of area, and the total weight looks to be 10.2 pounds with a YS 1.40-DZ for power.

As Troy said.. it'll fly this weekend in Sierra Vista.

-Doug

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Has a biplane been used in F3A before?? Whats the wingspan, fuse length and contruction? composite??

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I was taking a really close look at the picture and the airfoil used looks very thin. Did Chip give any reason for doing this Doug?

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hey gw were did you get that picture of chips bipe i would like to check it out a little more in depth




p.s. is joe goin to harvest

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does it have two or four servos in the wing, and one or two on the tail

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a friend passed it to me. Its the only one I have, I'm sure DougC and TroyN will have some great photos coming soon when the test flights are complete. It sure is a Beautiful plane, and we know what Chip can do with a Bipe.



I think Joe is going to Harvest, looks like the whole Serma crew is making the trip over.

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Yes.. a bipe has been used in F3A before. 2 of them actually. Tony Frakowiak flew a thing called the FYG-Leaf designed by Ken Bonemma in 1989 I think it was at the F3A WC, and someone else I don't remember flew something called the Shamrock at the same WC.

The thin airfoils do 2 things. 1, they don't contribute too much to the overall drag of the airplane which will be good anyway, and 2, thinner sections can have a faster flow separation making snaps REALLY good, something it'll need with such a low wing loading. And yes.. it has 1 servo per aileron (4 total).

This one is all balsa actually, built by the same guys that did Chip's original Hydeaway from Japan. Length is 78.5" and the span was supposed to be 76.5" originally, but I don't know what it is now as the design has had some changes from Chip's original drawings I got.

-Doug

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Ugly or not, I like it!

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And I do recall Hanno Prettner flying a Skybolt to win 2 TOC's back in the early 80's...


Biplanes rock my sox!

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Actually no.. Hanno showed up with a 'Skybolt' in 1984 and was disqualified because it was really a 2-winged Dalotel. Lamar Steen (designer of the full scale Skybolt) himself was there and after looking at Hanno's airplane commented "That sure is a pretty airplane.. What is it?"

Steve Rojecki won that year flying a Reed Falcon biplane. Steve as you know went on to be the CD of the event for many years to follow and really made the TOC work IMO.

Hanno returned in 1988 to win the TOC (with an actual scale Skybolt) and then was not seen again in Las Vegas. Hanno had won basically ever TOC he every actually flew in.

Biplanes won the TOC from 1984 - 1992 but then that's no stretch.. nearly every competitor was flying Ultimate Bipes for awhile. Then in 1994 the bonus went away for bipes, and the BIG airplanes arrived, with Quique showing the world what would become "3D" flying.

-Doug

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I won the US Team trials in 1989 with the FYG-Leaf, and placed 7th or 8th at the World's. The US Team won the Team Championships that year. Just my opinion, the FYG-Leaf was a whole lot better looking!

And even the FYG-Leaf wasn't the first US F3A bipe. Anybody know who was first? Here's a guess, think corncob pipe.

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Here's a pic of the FYG-Leaf.