Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Hi I'm thinking about moving up to a 40 pattern ARF from an UltraStick. Currently considering the Aresti or Venus, but do you guys have any other recommendations? What other good choices are there on the market??

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Try the World Models TaiJi. This plane with a YS63 is a great combination.

Greg

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Venus flies better than the Aresti. TaiJi is a great flyer, but not cheap. Cermark Javelin on special at $150 is good value. Creek Quest worth a look if you want to spend $250. But Venus is probably the best flying modestly priced pattern plane on the market. YS 63 is a great investment, like Greg says--if not the only way to go, certainly one great way to go. You would not go wrong with any of these four (Venus, TaiJi, Javelin, Quest) imho.

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

SilverComet,
What is your choice of engine?
2-stroke, 4-stroke?
with tuned pipe/muffler or standard muffler that comes with engine?

Venus, Tai Ji, Zen are good. I personally don't like the style of Zen compared to TaiJi. It just look a little weird to me.

Creekhobbies' Quest is good, but is a 90 size.
Eric Henderson built and flown with YS 91AC initially. Then, replaced 91 with 140L (didn't have available 120 other than 120AC). He moved firewall back to accomodate Hydemounts.

I like the Quest, but it costs nearly $60 to ship the ARF kit to Idaho, so I gave up. No hobbyshops in my area carry those.

For low cost, I would go with Venus and minimum of 46FX.
if you can afford 4-stroke, go with YS 63 and minimum 20% nitro.

Good luck

engine choice
 

just a comment about engine selection in a .40 sized pattern plane.

If you are looking for modest perfomance then you could use an OS .46fx or a thundertiger .46 pro.

unfortunately, for good verticle performance you should use such as the YS 63 or the Saito 72 4 strokes.

I have been experimenting myself with the .40 size ships and unless you can keep it well under 5 lbs (4.5 being my ideal) a .46 size 2 stroke is a little lacking. unless you wish to spend the extra dough on mini servos and duralite batteries and such to keep weight down.

my opinions only :p

Hubb

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

my quest is sceduled to come in tomorrow.......i am going to put a 91 FX in it i would put a os 140 rx or a ys 110 in it but dont have the money it looks like a great plane i will post what it looks like tomorrow in the quest 90 thread.

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Actually I am still relatively new to this hobby and don't know much about tune pipes or mufflers. My first and still current plane is a US 40 with a OS 46 with the stock muffler, which I've flown for less than a month. But I'm hooked and I go out to the field almost everyday.

The quest looks nice but even if I can afford the plane I can't afford the engine. And my gf would kill me if I got a plane with wings large enough to dine on because I live in an apartment. So I think I'll probably go with the Venus and YS 63.

So what tune pipe/muffler should I get with the YS??

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Silvercomet
Just a thought , since you stated you're on a budget.
Maybe try the Venus with your 46 off the US 40,for now.

You could then move up to a bigger motor when you could afford it. I'd probably even leave the cowl off until I changed the motor. That way you wouldn't cut the cowl for the 46 and it be messed up for the "new motor"

The 46 (as stated before) will not be all the power you want , but It'd fly probably good enough for you now. It'd be good enough for me anyway. :-)

FYI the ys63 is a 4-stroke. The muffler that comes with it is all you need. The tuned pipes referrred to boost the power in 2-stroke engines. Pipes are used on some 4-stroke engines , but it's my understanding that mostly for sound muffling - not performance.

Eddie

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Silvercomet, if you are not equipped with a well stocked shop, toolchest and hours a day to spend on the hobby, I would defer the YS or four-strokes in general until later. As a high performance engine, the YS needs a lot of attention, notably checking and re-setting valve adjustment every couple gallons of fly-time. Some guys neglect this and get away with it, but to get the most out of this product, that's the deal. Also some finicky fuel questions, tank set-up, etc. that need dealing with on a YS. I would recommend you leave this until you are prepared to spend as much time learning about engines and maintenance as you are flying. Right now you need time in the air, and a simple 2-stroke will do that for you. The Venus will fly very well on a .46, so fly and enjoy! (I don't know how anyone can manage both gf and rc, although I'm told it can be done.)

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

SilverComet,

I had the Ti Jai 40 with a YS 63 in it. Flies very true and accurate, a lot bigger than it is if you follow what I mean. It was not twitchy at all. The build quality is very high. But the retracts are a little vulnerable though and therefore I would recommend a fixed gear set-up.

The YS 63 is I guess the most user friendly of the YS range. I have 3 63s and none have required attention. You will need to keep the nitro content up to 20% to get the best out of them. I used all the standard tank that came in the Ti Jai, but put the tank on the cog. The use of 20 and 30% nitro I found a little daunting and first. The cost of the fuel compared to 10% I was using in 2 strokes. But with throttle control the YS 63 is very fuel efficient. I have a seduction freestyle with 8oz tank. After 9 to 10 mins of flight I usually land and I will only use 2/3 of the tank. The YS will also just keep pulling the plane around almost any Manoeuvre, you will have fly one to realise the diffrance. You will also get large amounts of braking on the down lines and for landing. A 2 stroke will not give you this.

If you go down the 2-stroke route and change for the YS later, the engine mounts are the same size at a 46. I have a Znline madness. This had an OS 46 fx in sidewinder position. When I changed for the YS all that needed changing was the push rod for the throttle and drilled two more holes in the mount for the bolts. In side winder config the little stubby pipe fits directly under the fuz and troughs most of the cack off the plane.

Any way good luck

Kris

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Thanks for all the advice. It's really true that I have little experience with engine tuning and management. I got my UltraStick used and just brought it to the field and the guys there did all the needle valves and stuff for me.

Yet I wouldn't want to outgrow another 2-stroke 46 and get a 4-stroke after a short while. Is a YS 63 really too much for me to manage at this point??

Also kris, what do you mean when you say mounting the engine in a sidewinder position? I think currently I have my OS 46 mounted so that the glow plug is on the right side.

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

sidewinder is what we term, in the UK, as motor that is 45 degrees off of inverted. This is so the manifold will hang down under the fuz between the UC.

Kris

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

I got a Global-Avenger powered by a SuperTigre-GS40 engine and flies very well. It's a very good plane and it doesn't need more power for my flight style(I'm a begginer, too. I just left an Avistar). If I can help anymore, contacte me.
Good luck.

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Hey another thought is to get the Venus and put an Irvine .53 two stroker in it

Choosing 40 pattern plane
 

Silvercomet,

I would second the recommendation you received from majortom and go with the OS46 you already have. It’s a good match for the Venus. Use the money you save to buy fuel and fly it as much as you can.

I would recommend the following if you have not done so already:

Read through the sportsman maneuver sequence descriptions on the web. In particular the ones at www.nsrca.org/beginnerA.htm and www.cox-internet.com/donramsey/Novice.htm are very helpful. You can start flying these routines with your existing plane while building the new one.

I would also try to find a pattern pilot, talk to him and let him know you are interested in flying pattern and ask him to critique your routine. If you are lucky he will show you the maneuvers with his plane so you can see what they should look like. Go to a contest and watch them fly. It’s a great experience and fun time.

These are just my opinions – everyone has their own.

Good luck