Do standard peak chargers work properly with diode???
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Greetings,
I have a question about the proper function of a standard (no negative pulses) peak detection charger WHEN a diode is in the circuit as comes with the Futaba 6XA transmitter.
I know that the diode can be jumped when using a reverse pulse charger such as the Sirius, but I did not think the diode caused a peak charging problem when using a standard peak charger until I read a comment on the Sirius Charger home page. They state that no charger can properly peak detect when a diode is in place. (because of improper voltage feedback I assume)
Huh, really??? Are all the folks who are peak charging through a diode risking their batteries and planes? I would appreciate any comments on this!
Ernie
I have a question about the proper function of a standard (no negative pulses) peak detection charger WHEN a diode is in the circuit as comes with the Futaba 6XA transmitter.
I know that the diode can be jumped when using a reverse pulse charger such as the Sirius, but I did not think the diode caused a peak charging problem when using a standard peak charger until I read a comment on the Sirius Charger home page. They state that no charger can properly peak detect when a diode is in place. (because of improper voltage feedback I assume)
Huh, really??? Are all the folks who are peak charging through a diode risking their batteries and planes? I would appreciate any comments on this!
Ernie
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Do standard peak chargers work properly with diode???
The only thing you have to remember is that there is a voltage drop over a diode. Depending on the diode it'll varry somewhat. Depending on what kind of charging algorythm your charger uses it will or will not have a problem. Only 'stupid' chargers should be affected. IE one's that peek detect based on static voltages, as opposed to checks for the true voltage dip seen when a pack hits it's full charge.
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Just using Lynx's example "Only 'stupid' chargers should be affected. IE one's that peek detect based on static voltages, as opposed to checks for the true voltage dip seen when a pack hits it's full charge."
My old Hobbico charger will work through a diode but it is "old". The Smart Charge actually reads the voltage and therefore won't work through a diode. It doesn't really read a peak but predicts the right charge The old hobbico seems to work just fine but I have a suspicion it slightly overcharges and then senses the peak. So, I use it sparingly.
My old Hobbico charger will work through a diode but it is "old". The Smart Charge actually reads the voltage and therefore won't work through a diode. It doesn't really read a peak but predicts the right charge The old hobbico seems to work just fine but I have a suspicion it slightly overcharges and then senses the peak. So, I use it sparingly.
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Originally posted by Lynx
Only 'stupid' chargers should be affected. IE one's that peek detect based on static voltages, as opposed to checks for the true voltage dip seen when a pack hits it's full charge.
Only 'stupid' chargers should be affected. IE one's that peek detect based on static voltages, as opposed to checks for the true voltage dip seen when a pack hits it's full charge.
Additionally, how can a charger check "for the true voltage dip seen when a pack hits it's full charge" when a diode in the circuit prevents outflow?
Maybe it's just ME that's stupid!
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Get a 9C and never worry about that again.
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
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Originally posted by Geistware
Get a 9C and never worry about that again.
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
Get a 9C and never worry about that again.
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
I had considered a 9C but the only advantage I see is that it has provisions for triple rates on a switch. My 8U will also do triple rates, but it takes a mix to do it. I never need triple rates anyway, so the Super 8s are fine for me.
You coming up shortly?
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Do standard peak chargers work properly with diode???
Originally posted by Geistware
Get a 9C and never worry about that again.
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
Get a 9C and never worry about that again.
Tim, I know you have/had a 8U.
Can it be updated with the circuit that is in the 9C?
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There is another whole reason why the Sirius type smart chargers will not work through a diode. They are a pulse charger that emmits a "negative flow" pulse at times that could not pass through the diode.
I wrote to MRC who manufacture the 956 Super Brain charger. Tim wrote back and said that their charger relies on "feedback" from the battery that would be impossible with a diode in place.
I now believe that every other high quality peak charger would not work properly and consistantly (if at all as mentioned above) with a diode in the charging circuit.
I sure do appreciate all the informative replies to my question on this subject..... thanks to all.
Now, I've forgotten, what does a poly switch do exactly? .... and why would it be better than simply jumping the diode?
Ernie
I wrote to MRC who manufacture the 956 Super Brain charger. Tim wrote back and said that their charger relies on "feedback" from the battery that would be impossible with a diode in place.
I now believe that every other high quality peak charger would not work properly and consistantly (if at all as mentioned above) with a diode in the charging circuit.
I sure do appreciate all the informative replies to my question on this subject..... thanks to all.
Now, I've forgotten, what does a poly switch do exactly? .... and why would it be better than simply jumping the diode?
Ernie
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Tim, a single strand of servo wire would be teeny, teeny, wouldn't it? Wouldn't all the charge current have to pass through such a tiny piece of wire? (using a single strand to jump a diode)
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Tim the voltage dip a peak detect charger uses to terminate the charge is on the way in so the diode is irrelevent. Can't you set up the triton to override those saftey precautions? If you know the capacity and number of cells in the pack you should be able to set it up to charge just fine, as long as you're not using the automatic pack detect, or trying to discharge
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Originally posted by Lynx
Tim the voltage dip a peak detect charger uses to terminate the charge is on the way in so the diode is irrelevent.
Tim the voltage dip a peak detect charger uses to terminate the charge is on the way in so the diode is irrelevent.
Can't you set up the triton to override those saftey precautions? If you know the capacity and number of cells in the pack you should be able to set it up to charge just fine, as long as you're not using the automatic pack detect, or trying to discharge
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...............Tim the voltage dip a peak detect charger uses to terminate the charge is on the way in so the diode is irrelevent...............
Lynx, I'm no expert either, but I think there is something to this more than meets the eye here since both Sirius and Model Rectifier Corp. insist that no peak charger can work properly without feedBACK from the battery to detect the peak.
I don't see how there could be any feedback during a continuous charge cycle though without taking a pause though unless it is a pulse charger. Perhaps taking a "break" when nearing the peak?
Ernie
Lynx, I'm no expert either, but I think there is something to this more than meets the eye here since both Sirius and Model Rectifier Corp. insist that no peak charger can work properly without feedBACK from the battery to detect the peak.
I don't see how there could be any feedback during a continuous charge cycle though without taking a pause though unless it is a pulse charger. Perhaps taking a "break" when nearing the peak?
Ernie
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Originally posted by Ernie Misner
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Lynx, I'm no expert either, but I think there is something to this more than meets the eye here since both Sirius and Model Rectifier Corp. insist that no peak charger can work properly without feedBACK from the battery to detect the peak.
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Lynx, I'm no expert either, but I think there is something to this more than meets the eye here since both Sirius and Model Rectifier Corp. insist that no peak charger can work properly without feedBACK from the battery to detect the peak.
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The voltage drop on the battery will show up as a current fluctuation so the outgoing power itself can be used as feedback. Not to say any peak chargers do it this way but it can be done. Anyways if it doesn't work it doesn't work.
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Originally posted by causeitflies
The key word here is "PROPERLY". Thus the "stupid" chargers work but "smart" charger companies claim theirs work better because they more accurately detect the peak via voltage feedback.
The key word here is "PROPERLY". Thus the "stupid" chargers work but "smart" charger companies claim theirs work better because they more accurately detect the peak via voltage feedback.
Ernie
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causeitflies. The voltage dip is the results of the saturation of the battery chemical with electrons, so the moment of the peak is the actual point at which the battery is full. Because of the way battery chemistry works though a follow up ultra low (c/20 c/30) trickle charge will further saturate the battery. It's like filling up a cup of water fast, once it starts overflowing if you stop the actual level will be a little bit lower than the edge of the cup because of all the water sloshing around due to the high current. If you let just a little bit of water flow at the end you'll fill the cup all the way up till you actually have a slight mound over the top of it (which is akin to the high voltage fully charged packs have)
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Lynx, good analogy. That is what I'm saying about the old chargers. The overcharge causes the fluctuation in the ingoing current which is detected as the peak but it is actually after the peak. I don't know if this is the Delta scheme or what but this is why the diode makes no difference to them...I think