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Old 07-11-2011, 04:56 PM
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OK .... I know there has been a lot of speculation about the illusive Futaba telemetry. When will it be available? What radios will it affect? Well any radios be able to be retro-fitted? The list of questions goes on and on. The most I have seen has been on the German forum site "robbe" where it clearly shows the "FASST" as being "FASSTEST" ... with the "est" portion standing for Extended System Telemetry. If this be the case, why is Futabe being so deliberetly closed mouthed in the USA about what is going on.

I suspect that there are many modlers like me out there, who have had Futaba equipment now and in the past that would like to upgrade to something else that has telemetry and stay in the Futaba line. With so much competition from the likes of Spektrum and Aurora that already has telemetry available (at a reasonable price), why is Futuba being so deliberetly quiet in acknowledging this area? Is Futaba's market share so great that they can just disreguard what is happening around them? Or maybe they believe that this (somewhat more expensive) "S-bus" system is enough to keep them on top?

Additionally there seems to be another system just on the brink of development. Maybe everyone has heard of the Xtreme Product Systems 16 channel, feature rich transmitter that will have voice telemetry alerts. They intend to release this transmitter for $249.00. How is Futaba going to answer the challenge? It seems that Xtreme Product Systems has figured out that the real money isn't in the single transmitter sale but rather the multiple receivers we modelers keep on buying!

Now don't get me wrong ... I do like Futaba equipment and with everything remaining equal, I am all to happy to stay in that line of equipment. However, if things don't seem to improve, I can see myself moving to a more feature rich, telemetry enhanced and price conservative piece of equipment.

I just wonder how many othere out there, like myself would like to get some straight answers.
Old 07-12-2011, 12:06 PM
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Hi,

We know that the new Futaba 18MZ (expected release Sept/Oct) will have telemetry.
I have not read anywhere that Futaba said that you can retrofit telemetry to existing Futaba radios.
But I would be little surprisedif not all Futaba software upgradeable radios could be enhanced with telemetry by a combination of software upgrade and FASSTest SBus-2 receiver together with telemetry sensors.
Personally I have used radios since 1973 when I started to fly radio controlled airplanes and altough telemetry is a nice feature I for sure can live without it. I have today a Futaba 14MZ and if Futaba will have some telemetry for it that will be great, if not I can live with that until next time I buy a new radio in maybe 5 yearsor so (when I expect almost all radios will have telemetry).

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Old 07-12-2011, 03:30 PM
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Personally I expect the current top end Futaba transmitters (14MZ, 12Z and possibly 12FG)) to be backwards compatible and have telemetry available. Undoubtedly the TM-14 FASST module will have to be upgraded or replaced in order to have two way communication (along with appropriate new receivers).

I agree with ability to live without it for my flying style and airplane types. I currently use an add on telemetry unit for my electrics to monitor expensive LiPo's. Otherwise I find it unnecessary as my maintenance practices and Futaba's reliability have kept me out of the ground for many, many years.
Old 07-12-2011, 03:45 PM
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I have been flying RC for a long time and except for a brief stint in the UAV field I do not see the need for telemetry. This is another personal preference issue that will have strong opinions on both sides.
Old 07-12-2011, 04:16 PM
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As I thouhgt ... most of us are expecting that the high end radios from Futaba will either be telemetry capable or able to be refitted for telemetry. So what about the mid rage radios such as the 8FG? Is Futaba so foolish to abandon that market? Do they honestly believe that everyone has the means to drop thousands on a transmitter? I would suspect there are more of us "price conservative" customers that all the guys who have the deep pockets.

Ya know, on second thought, that just might be their strategy. Throw the little guy under the bus!! Sure why not! Look at the auto industry ... big prices has not stopped people from building and buying a Rolls or a Bently. Next thing we well start to see at flying field ... row after row of Bentleys and Lambos!

Well this just might seem like "spit balling" ... but for me ... I am a Chevy kind of guy. I certainly hope Futaba can handle this situation soon. As for me ... well I am looking to upgrade from my 7C (told ya I was a Chevy guy). I would hate to have to make that big a change from Futaba... but the more feature rich platform is certainly drawing my attention.
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Little more info here: http://www.robbe.de/content_global/i...etrie_2011.pdf

P.S. Google translation of text portion:

Page 1
With the new radio system in T18MZ
Fall 2011 robbe-Futaba in the home
Telemetry are finding their way. Based on the
FASST system, the bidirectional
comprehensive test â„¢ - system for the transmission of tele-
metriedaten the models developed for the transmitter.
The new system is called comprehensive test â„¢, where "est"
for "Advanced Telemetry System" is.
A radio link for control and telemetry data.
The high-end radio gear to control the sending T18MZ
Model 16 +2 and 32 channels can be up to telemetry channels
received. The telemetry data will not only display
displayed, but also acoustically or via voice
printed output. An optional vibration alarm in the
Transmitters are activated.
At the transmitter, the telemetry data are also available in digital
Form and are available via a wireless or
Bluetooth module to a smartphone or a laptop
transferred. This opens up for the greatest-model pilot
flexibility of display and output options.
Other features of T18MZ
The brilliant 6 "HVGA display with touchscreen, LED back-
backlight and contrast is enhanced in bright
Sunlight readable well. Was greatly accelerated the
Reaction time of the touch screen by using a super-
fast microprocessor. The increase in operating time
was on a long operating day reduction achieved by
the power consumption while increasing the battery
capacity at 3500 mA. The battery charging process management in
output assumes the transmitter electronics.
The internal memory is such that images of
Models can be stored in internal memory. The
integrated 0.3 megapixel camera allows the uncomplicated
graced creation of model photos to the then
allocate appropriate memory model. In addition to the
known storage on SD card, a USB stick as
Storage medium used and the data via USB
Cable in the PC are stored. Via the USB port
can alternatively keyboard and mouse for menu control
be used.
At the transmitter, a connector is to
Programming of S-BUS servos and registration of
Telemetry sensors on the system. The best menu setup
tion of the T-14 was around the menus for S-BUS-power,
S-BUS-gyro, camera and telemetry display expanded.
The new, extremely precise joystick use
Industriepotis, characterized by a lifetime of more
characterized as one million cycles.
Page 2
Sensors
Other sensors, such as a simple sensor for Vario
Small models, a pro-Vario-resolution sensor with precise
by Vario and height and a GPS sensor for altitude and
Speed ​​measurement, in addition to other current
and voltage sensors, sensors for Restkraftstoffanzei-
GE, flow, temperature, individual cell voltage, the
Telemetry sensors offer robbe / Futaba round.
What's new with remote control and telemetry equipment?
R7008SB comprehensive test â„¢
The heart of the comprehensive test â„¢ system is the
R7008SB new receiver with integrated
Telemetry transmitters.
It is designed for connecting up to eight standard PWM
Servos (analog or digital) designed. With two receivers
Up to 16 channels can be received. On S-BUS
All output channels are also available in digital form-
tion. There, right up to 18 servos or via S-BUS
Be connected with an adapter and standard PWM servo.
Automatically when connecting the receiver, the
important data such as telemetry receiver battery voltage,
an external voltage (60 V) and the Antennensig-
nalstärke transferred to the transmitter. On S-BUS 2 - Input
the telemetry sensors and / or bidirectional
working-RC components connected.
The S-BUS 2 - port receive these RC components
th their control and send signals over the same line
Telemetry data to the transmitter. A receiver for all
No further
Additional equipment required on the receiver!
Impressive are the small size of
47.3 x 24.9 x 14.3 mm and only 13 grams. Perfect both
for narrow hulls and large sailing competition models.
Roxxy BL-control knobs (S-BUS2)
A part of this new S-BUS 2-RC components are
new S-BUS Roxxy BL-control knobs. You will be after
Registration and automatically port on the S-BUS2
Telemetry data speed, current and voltage to the transmitter
. transmit This will almost sensorless digital future
Reality without additional sensors and wires and without
Additional costs.
After the launch of the fall of 2011 T18MZ
little by little, all FASST transmitter as T8FG,
FX-20, T12FG, FX-30, etc. gradually to the new
comprehensive test â„¢ system changed. The new facilities would
both the FASST system and the FHSS system
Modulation provide. This is to-
ensure that existing FASST receiver in addition
be operated with the RC system with telemetry
can. The telemetry data is displayed on the display,
or alternatively and sound output, and probably
Lich and voice output via the headphone jack
issued. This feature is of course only in the
Modulation comprehensive test available.
Figure example
Page 3
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth phone, laptop and telemetry
As a universal telemetry unit, the output
Smart-phone use. The data are transmitted via wireless
Bluetooth module or transferred to the smartphone, the
Voice and tone, vibrating alert and a display
possesses. The smartphone is the optimal output
unit for telemetry data. Thus, the telemetry data
gleichzeitigt output on various devices (eg
Helpers, announcer, timekeeper, etc.)
Wlan or Bluetoooth can Telemetriedeaten
also to a laptop / notebook will be sent with the
necessary software, which telemetry data to
the monitor displays a large area. For events and
Competitions, the telemetry values ​​as RGB or
HDMI port on the netbook / laptop through a large
Flat panel monitor or display to the spectators
be.
How does the conversion on telemetry at
existing FASST systems?
Existing systems can FASST with a new
Recipient (R7008SBHybrid), the control signals FASST
receives the telemetry data as a comprehensive test-signal â„¢
Telemetry receiver box to send. In principle this is similar
The receiver R70008SB (as described above), is
However, as FASST / comprehensive test-signal hybrid-combination
designed.
Telemetry box
For the reception of telemetry data, the telemetry box
offered, equipped with a receiver and lithium
Battery. The telemetry data received at the display
and displayed either by sound or voice output
issued.
By means of the telemetry receiver and R7008SBHybrid
autaken the telemetry box, all existing
FASST transmitter and RASST and plants with FASST or
RASST modules are converted to telemetry.
robbe model sports team in June 2011

Doug.
Old 07-13-2011, 04:31 PM
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Thanks for posting that Doug. Sounds like there are good things in the pipeline, if I'm reading that Germlish translation correctly
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ORIGINAL: iaclmac

As I thouhgt ... most of us are expecting that the high end radios from Futaba will either be telemetry capable or able to be refitted for telemetry. So what about the mid rage radios such as the 8FG? Is Futaba so foolish to abandon that market? Do they honestly believe that everyone has the means to drop thousands on a transmitter? I would suspect there are more of us ''price conservative'' customers that all the guys who have the deep pockets.
I believe the new 8FG Super is already set up for future telemetry updates. I was referring mainly to Futaba transmitters introduced several years ago.

The upcoming 18MZ has a lot of hardware specific bells and whistles but some of the stuff is software driven so the 14 and 12's should get some of it.

I swallowed had four years ago when purchasng the 14MZ and I am not diappointed. Just not yet ready to do it again for the 18MZ.
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ORIGINAL: pilotpete2

Thanks for posting that Doug. Sounds like there are good things in the pipeline, if I'm reading that Germlish translation correctly
Pete
LOL... here's more Germlish to keep you reading : http://reinerfuchs.re.funpic.de/PDF/...ion%282%29.pdf

It looks like even the 6EX 2.4 will be able to use a module for telemetry. [X(]

Doug.
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:17 PM
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A bit confusing but it appears 18MZ, possibly 12FG and 8FG (all integrated FASST) will be upgradeable to receive and display telemetry in their onboard display screens.

All others can use the add on telemetry box with new telemetry receiver.

Appears no Futaba FASST transmitter is left out. Good news for all FASST owners if they want Futaba's telemetry.

ROBBE's distribution area must be extremely large so they get the info long before it is released to Hobbico. It will be nice when Hobbico can clarify with english versions.
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When I fly my small electrics or nitro planes, telemetry is of little value to me as my planes are rarely in the air for more than 10 - 15 minutes, and always within eyesight.

However, when I fly my sailplanes, I can be up for 45 minutes or longer, so being able to check RX battery status could add a bit of "comfort factor". And if I accidently loose sight of the plane and it flys away, a bit of GPS info would be invaluable.

r/s... Roger
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Ibelieve Germany is Futaba's biggest market and that Robbe often develops many of the features with Futaba. The relationship is deeper than the Hobbico/Futaba one.

Good news that 8FGv3 , 8FGSuper, 12FG and 14MZ will be upgradable to FASSTest and S-Bus II. I doubt Iwill buy the telemetry in a hurry but it sure is nice to know that my radio investment is not about to be made obsolete.
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Hi,

Great, that PDF document was very helpful and explanied rather clear Futaba telemetry. But it was unclear if existing 8FG, 12FG, 14MZ etc canshow telemetrydata in transmitter own display (I hope so - the external Telemetry-Box I'm sure is fine but I would prefer to have telemetry data displayed in my 14MZ display).

/Bo
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I am not all that keen on visual displays that will require me to take my eyes off the plane. I am not all that wound up about telemetry in the first place either. I have had the ability to get on board voltage and altitude with the vario in my big gliders and honestly after a time the novelty wore off for me.

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